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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 02:45:12 PM » |
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This is absolutely appalling! Not only that the zinc levels are enough to be toxic, but that someone found this bag of recalled Nutro cat food on the shelves after it had been recalled. Yet Nutro downplayed the whole thing--inexcusable!
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Read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and you'll know where we are going and why we are in this handbasket.
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2009, 07:36:44 AM » |
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So, this must be Corporate Utopia
Zero Accountability for anything
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2009, 07:41:16 AM » |
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Love the way she thinks......she calls 'em like she sees 'em.
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2009, 09:49:09 AM » |
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Eventually they will understand, Replied the glorious cat For I will whisper into their hearts That I am always with them I just am....forever and ever and ever. Poem for Cats, author unknown
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 10:07:29 AM » |
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Excellent (and shocking) article. "The good news is that SOME pet food manufacturers realize the absurdity of AAFCO nutrient profiles." Wish I knew who they were.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2009, 10:09:53 AM » |
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Marion Nestle's article says to demand evidence of the testing performed. What world is she living in? We've all demanded this and what do we get? Oh, sorry, that's proprietary or not available or some such line. Maybe she can get this info for us.
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Red and Bones, my baby boys, you'll always be in my heart. Mom will see you later. Look after each other, ok?
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2009, 10:13:57 AM » |
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Marion Nestle's article says to demand evidence of the testing performed. What world is she living in? We've all demanded this and what do we get? Oh, sorry, that's proprietary or not available or some such line. Maybe she can get this info for us.
Marion's not a "Street Fighter" like many of us HAVE TO BE.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2009, 11:03:24 AM » |
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Marion Nestle's article says to demand evidence of the testing performed. What world is she living in? We've all demanded this and what do we get? Oh, sorry, that's proprietary or not available or some such line. Maybe she can get this info for us.
I suggested members of AAFCO/FDA/CVM (and the pet food committee) call & ask  Bet they'd have to use their title or an act of Congress 
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"If the pet food does not perform in the consumer's hands, then all of the advertising on earth will not be persuasive." Dr. R. Glenn Brown. Canadian Veterinary Journal, Volume 35, in April of 1994
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2009, 04:14:08 PM » |
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Excellent (and shocking) article. "The good news is that SOME pet food manufacturers realize the absurdity of AAFCO nutrient profiles." Wish I knew who they were. Actually, this was once a member of the AAFCO team that knew this too: Interesting reading.. I'll see if more from this org. http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00001.htm" These improved procedures do not represent a perfect solution for nutrition of the individual animal, however. In the words of Quinton Rogers, DVM, PhD, one of the AAFCO panel experts, “although the AAFCO profiles are better than nothing, they provide false securities. I don't know of any studies showing their adequacies and inadequacies.” Rogers also states that some of the foods which pass AAFCO feeding trials are actually inadequate for long term nutrition, but there is no way of knowing which foods these are under present regulations (Smith, 1993)."Dr Rogers history is very interesting: http://dels.nas.edu/banr/cd_authors.htmlQuinton R. Rogers, Ph.D. is a professor of physiological chemistry in the School of Veterinary Medicine at the University of California, Davis. Rogers' research was the foundation for the discovery of the taurine requirement of cats. He has published approximately 280 articles in research areas such as protein and animo acid nutrition, the role of amino acids in the control of food intake and metabolism, and nutritional diseases of animals. Rogers has served as associate editor for American Journal of Clinical Nutrition and is a member of the editorial board for Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry. Awards and honors received by Rogers include Honorary Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition in 1997, Osborne Mendel Award from the American Society of Nutritional Sciences in 1997, Faculty Research Award from the School of Veterinary Medicine form University of California in 1992, and Ralston Purina Small Animal Medicine Research Award in Nutrition in 1986. Rogers received his Ph.D. and M. S. in Biochemistry from University of Wisconsin, Madison. I'd take that as a pretty informed opinion of AAFCO standards.
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"If the pet food does not perform in the consumer's hands, then all of the advertising on earth will not be persuasive." Dr. R. Glenn Brown. Canadian Veterinary Journal, Volume 35, in April of 1994
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2009, 04:55:36 PM » |
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Uh, remember Nutro's response to the first pfpsa.org test results posted. Going back in time, take a look at this one in response to test results done on products that Hill's purchased off the retailer shelves and did independent testing and identified an ingredient issue (fat).(Hill's in NAD challenge against Nutro Products (Case #4714)). http://www.petage.com/news120703.asp"Furthermore, Nutro noted that temporary manufacturing irregularities at its plants had allowed the unauthorized addition of fat to the “lite” pet food products, skewing the results of certain product tests performed by the challenger. The company presented evidence that the irregularities had been corrected." a. AAFCO validity b. plant error c. supplier error In Sept 2008, the press release said http://www.zimbio.com/Latest+pet+food+recall+list/articles/46/Nutro+Press+Release+Regarding+Zinc+Copper1.) "In order for a food to provide all the essential nutrition for a pet, it must exceed the minimum requirements for all essential nutrients." 2.) "NUTRO® products undergo rigorous quality assurance testing beginning with raw ingredients and ending with testing finished products. This includes testing to confirm that no melamine, mold toxins, or pathogenic bacteria are detected in any NUTRO® pet foods" (**also see http://www.nutroproducts.com/quality-assurance.shtml) This recall 5/21/ 2009 shows that item #2 is in question due to products that were on store shelves for months without acknowledgment from Nutro that their tests on their PRODUCTS showed any problems. Then, we realize that: http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm154317.htm"This issue was identified during an audit of our documentation from the supplier." What about the documentation from their tests on their PRODUCTS or FINISHED PRODUCTS proving their press release was a "fact" or a "true fact"? Exactly when does Nutro test the "Products"? Obviously they didn't test these "finished products" as per their statement with a signature from an "authority" in #2 above which lead us (consumers) all down a rosy path wearing rose colored glasses and blinded to reality. UNTIL May 21, 2009. Would a test of UNrecalled Nutro product from the same time span as the recall (but not recalled) show to what degree/levels Nutro determined "it must exceed the minimum requirements for all essential nutrients." I'd also like to see substantiation and sources to confirm the statement in the press release (advertising?) "In order for a food to provide all the essential nutrition for a pet, it must exceed the minimum requirements for all essential nutrients."
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2009, 05:04:26 PM » |
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Why are they getting away with this?
Whats it take to make this company be accountable? Is the FDA or whoever the hell is supposed to be enforcing the law afraid of these guys are something?
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2009, 05:48:19 PM » |
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Although I agree that the amount of Zinc found in the Nutro product was excessive, and it would be interesting to know why AAFCO has such a large range for the Zinc, I think that some of the information in Susan's article is misleading. The AAFCO minimum and maximum amounts are PER KILOGRAM (2.2lbs.) of food, per AAFCO's Nutrient Profile, not the amount required for an individual cat. Therefore, her comparison to the daily amount of Zinc the NRC recommends for cats can only be compared to what is in whatever amount of food the cat actually eats. I don't think that there is any cat that eats 2.2 lbs. of food per day. IMO, she is comparing apples to oranges. Am I misunderstanding her comparison?
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Nope. Mandycat, the amounts are per kilogram dry matter basis.
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Red and Bones, my baby boys, you'll always be in my heart. Mom will see you later. Look after each other, ok?
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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2009, 03:51:44 AM » |
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Looks like Don added a little more on his site yesterday.. http://www.pfpsa.org/news.htmleta: and I have read some members at other pet forums questioning the validity of pfpsa.org as well as the lab location...UI is University of Idaho (I think) and you will see UIASL Id# for the sample...and I found this on a search http://www.agls.uidaho.edu/asl/ ..I am pretty sure this is the place..but I will try to confirm this with Don since I was the one to start this thread...sorry I didn't notice it sooner...
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