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Author Topic: Pet Food Testing - What Substances?  (Read 7893 times)
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Offy
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« on: July 07, 2007, 06:16:26 AM »

When you have to select the substances, what are you selecting?

Has anyone selected: +Sulfathiazole - Chlortetracycline ?
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 04:18:58 PM »

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Has anyone selected: +Sulfathiazole - Chlortetracycline ?

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I just looked those up, why would you be testing for those??

They are both drugs, why would they be in pet food, have you some suspicions?

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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 06:29:08 PM »

db good question but then they have found other things in the food so why not these also? Sounds kinda strange this would be in there. Did not search these-what are the drugs for? Are they dangerous, harmful? Most are bad for you as they mask the symptoms, not cure them, ever.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 07:27:14 PM »

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what are the drugs for?

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One is a sulfa drug, the other is a antibiotic. If you go to this topic, offy discusses where they come from and then shows toxicity for each. I sort of found that topic after this one. These drugs are in flavor enhancers in the dog food??

http://itchmoforums.com/index.php?topic=1059.msg13432#msg13432

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 08:54:52 PM »

db just as this is in dog food (now we know why they add stuff to get the dogs to eat it) does the food have nutritional value before they add stuff that has no business in there in the first place? Everyone should just home cook and tell all the frankenstein scientists to quit screwing with the food cause we aint buying anymore for our kids. It all comes right back down to how much money can we make if the animal prefers our food to anothers? Gotta do something to it-like they add MSG to our food to get people additcted to it to buy it and eat it over and over again. Same thing with the pet food? No one in the business community except for some small business owners has a conscience.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 09:59:59 PM »

Very intresting research on flavor enhancers Offy!  The sulfa drug has some very familiar symptoms associated with it, doesn't it.  You may definitely be on to something.

Remember when acetaminophin was first found in the cat food--why was it found?  certainly no one asked them to test for it, so why/how did they (Epertox) decide to run that test?  Maybe they have a standard panel they run the sample through?
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 06:30:16 AM »

That was kind of interesting.

What I was had originally set out to do was find a flavor enhancer that would help me wean my cats off of their addiction to some commercial pets foods to healthier brands without by-products.

I came away with more questions than I did answers and far more concerns than I had when I started. 

And, I came away with the realization that the difficulty in getting pets to change brands can possibly be due to true addictions to something in the pet foods - and it wasn't the protein source, fat source.. the stuff they tell us is in there, but maybe the tag along substances.

It is fairly apparent that we've also regulated "trade secrets" of palatants. They are able to say "natural flavoring" on the label without telling us what they are using. I came up with brand names of palatants and very few descriptions of what they were actually putting in the pet foods. 

I wondered if they simultaneously added anything to create a more alkaline urine if the ingredient tested over limit for +Sulfathiazole - Chlortetracycline and what impact freeze drying had on the substances.

Gives new meaning to "with freeze-dried swine liver as a pure natural palatant" doesn't it?

I came away thinking that it means, pure natural additives that we've regulated as "safely contaminated within these risk boundaries". 

What happens if one or more are there? What happens if cyanuric acid is added to the mix? One of the drugs indicates that the animal should not be slaughtered for 10-14 days after usage. What happens if it dies/or is slaughtered for rendering with more of the drug in it than is  "safe as regulated" for inclusion in other animal feeds/pet foods.?

I almost wish I hadn't done that research Sad

p.s. It makes me want to go bury my head in the "dilution factor".
Now, I just need somebody to tell me that the pet food companies take responsiblity for testing what they put into the pet foods and that they test thoroughly for the unintended consequences of combinations they're mixing together for our pets to eat, instead of relying on their vendors to make sure the ingredients are safe one by one.
... safe in what context?


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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 08:02:45 AM »

so the animals are eating this stuff and then slaughtered? did I get that right? and it can be in edible animal tissue? non-specific?

if so, we are eating it also.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2007, 08:09:18 AM »

I think that we would also find the potential of various other antibiotics, preservatives, chemicals, etc in human foods, but not at the levels they are allowing in our pet foods. 

I think that one pet food company had 121 safety points. It would be my firm opinion that they are not taking sufficient responsiblity for the toxic cocktail they could be mixing for our pets.

Ignorance for the pet food companies has been blissfully enriching them.

Now, it is time for them to take the same amount of money they put into advertising and put it into their testing budgets. Or, they can cut the ads and boost the testing. Then post the test results.  The pet food industry has brought this on themselves.

Oh - if any of you have a list of emails for pet food companies (that will receive incoming mail) can you share it here? I've got a few bones to pick with them.

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2007, 08:35:30 AM »

But not all (any?) animals are designated pet food until later, so this would have to be in our food also unless they are dosing at the pet food plant in the recipe? I seriously can't wrap my head around a sulfa or antibiotic as a flavor enhancer! Looking at your other links, one's in the muscle at (allowed?) 1ppm and the liver/edible fat 2ppm. seems we would be eating more of the muscle/fat (bacon etc) and the rest goes to rendering . . . basically the pets eat our scraps and since this refers to it as residue, i'm getting it's added before slaughter. I wonder  solubility vs build up factor is (CHRONIC SULFONAMIDE TOXICITY)? Seems the gov has us lumped in with Domestic Mammals? Shame I don't weigh enough to fit into their *dilution assumption*


+Sulfathiazole - Chlortetracycline: 4 ppm - Residue in uncooked edible tissue of swine kidney - 556.150; 2 ppm -Residue in uncooked edible tissue of swine liver - 556.150; 1 ppm - Residue in uncooked edible tissue of swine muscle - do;0.2 ppm - Residue in uncooked edible tissue of swine fat - do; Uses & other information - 558.155

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/102798a.txt

IN DOMESTIC MAMMALS, MOST COMMON FORM /OF CHRONIC SULFONAMIDE TOXICITY/ IS RENAL OBSTRUCTION DUE TO DEPOSITION OF SULFONAMIDE CRYSTALS... IT IS POSSIBLE IN CASE OF...SULFATHIAZOLE, IN WHICH SOLUBILITY IS GREATLY INCR IN ALKALINE URINE, TO PREVENT DEVELOPMENT OF CRYSTALLURIA...BY SIMULTANEOUS ALKALI THERAPY. [Clarke, E.G., and M. L. Clarke. Veterinary Toxicology. Baltimore, Maryland: The Williams and Wilkins Company, 1975., p. 170]**PEER REVIEWED**

http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.cfm?objectid=E882566C-BDB5-82F8-F54BD3449BF2687F

http://www.academic.marist.edu/~jzmz/methods/sulcrystals.html

Effects on Laboratory Tests:
Bilirubin, BUN, sulfobromophthalein (BSPĀ®), eosinophils, methemoglobin, AST, and ALT may be increased. Platelet, RBC, and WBC counts are often decreased. Urinalysis may show a change in color, glucose, porphyrins, and urobilinogen. Sulfonamide crystals may also be found.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/191247.htm

edit: why do my kidneys start hurting everytime I read about food and our government?! lol!~
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Offy
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2007, 08:51:44 AM »

Straybaby,

The drugs are not added by the pet food companies nor are they flavor enhancers.

They are just some of the medications used on stock animals and which can be retained in the tissues of those animals.

Freeze dried Swine liver was the palatant (flavor enchancer) which can potentially contain those drugs and be indirectly included as a tag along substance that could be part of the foods our pets eat.

In this research, I was looking specifically for swine liver in the pages I linked.

I would feel safe in venturing to guess that swine liver isn't the only animal tissue that could contain those drugs and that those are not the only drugs that could be "safely contaminating stock animals within these risk boundaries".   Boy, that sure sounds like a 20th-21st Century oxymoron..Safely contaminated...
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 09:01:24 AM »


...Safely contaminated...

...Dilution factor ...

....risk assessment...

..GRAS...

I don't know about anyone else, but I've lost my appetite.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 09:02:41 AM »

yes, i'm a tad slow today! lol!~ ok, now i *got* it. it's just part of the "stuff" i knew they added to livestock that i could be eating. just haven't seen these broken out.

as far as flavor enhancers, have you tried dehydrating free range poultry liver and then grinding it to a powder to mix in? my cats will also eat it ground raw and mixed in. they tend to really like a good gut (organ) mash.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2007, 09:04:53 AM »


...Safely contaminated...

...Dilution factor ...

....risk assessment...

..GRAS...

I don't know about anyone else, but I've lost my appetite.

darlin' . .  it's Risk ASSUMPTION!!!  Wink

still working on my pyscosymatic kidney pain here   Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2007, 09:23:01 AM »

If you all are interested in exploring +Sulfathiazole - Chlortetracycline go here:

To stay sane, keep in mind the changes in dates..

http://usasearch.gov/search?v%3Aproject=firstgov-web&query=%2BSulfathiazole+-+Chlortetracycline
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