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« on: August 17, 2009, 05:27:24 PM » |
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Blessings to Don Earl for all his hard work and all his help. Here's what we have so far: As you can see, the lab found "rare large gram positive rods" in 5 out of the six samples, yet they were unable to culture anything. They then went on to test for clostridium perfringens which is what I would have requested based on some research I did. I am seriously contemplating having them test for bacillus anthracis and bacillus cereus. B. anthracis also known as anthrax can be in animals and it usually comes from the spores in the soil. I remember a man who brought some sort of hide back from Africa and he wound up with anthrax as a result of contact with the hide. Perhaps, because this beef comes from Uruguay it is similar?? https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/bt/anthrax/news/feb2806anthrax.htmlMy research for large gram positive rods led me here: http://www.buddycom.com/bacteria/gpr.htmlAny thoughts or input will be most appreciated. I intend to notify the Corporate DVM from Newmans. I didn't go the "organoleptic" test route, nor did I repeatedly feed it to unsuspecting kitties. I wll also notify the FDA and the USDA and quite possibly the NYS Dept. of Ag |
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 05:44:49 PM » |
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Thank you, Peg, for looking into this product for so long only to be frustrated, as are most pet owners, by the lack
of the necessary background. Your background is already way above most. I hope a state or government agency
actually wants to follow up here and find out what is in this product. Obviously, Newman's not actively pursuing
this at this time. I hope once you inform them, that changes, too.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2009, 05:45:24 PM » |
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Does the lab know if the gram positive rods are spore forming or not? That might help narrow down identification. http://microbiowiki.wetpaint.com/page/Gruesome+Gram-positive+BacilliWait, duh me, if they couldn't culture them - does that mean they were not spore producing? |
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"If the pet food does not perform in the consumer's hands, then all of the advertising on earth will not be persuasive." Dr. R. Glenn Brown. Canadian Veterinary Journal, Volume 35, in April of 1994
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mainecoonpeg
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2009, 06:39:09 PM » |
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BP, I'm guessing they are spore forming because the lab went on to test for clostridium perfringens. According to your link the clostridium varieties are spore forming.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2009, 06:47:14 PM » |
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Peg-thank you for sticking with this & Don too. Its so frustrating to get ambiguous results & not be able to narrow them down. We need to hit the lottery so we can afford all the necessary testing to find these problems.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2009, 10:21:16 AM » |
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I am posting here only because I havent seen mainecoonpeg here lately...since 8-26......has anyone communicated with her recently and is she OK?  Peg, hoping everything is going OK or as well as one can expect considering what you have been thru lately.... |
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2009, 07:32:52 AM » |
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Beyond Pissed
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 03:56:31 PM » |
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If anyone wants more for further testing, I have 4 [3oz] cans of the beef 5/27/10 and 2 of the Liver 5/29/10.
I wonder if UCD would be interested in testing it if they saw the WADDL reports?
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 05:20:42 PM » |
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BP, do you think UCD any more capable identifying bacteria than WADDL?
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 08:06:35 PM » |
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Does anyone know what size cans were tested?
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Eventually they will understand,
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I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 03:52:59 AM » |
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BP, do you think UCD any more capable identifying bacteria than WADDL?
I just thought that UCD does a considerable amount of research in addition to their testing programs & that they might be worth asking about it or letting them see the test results . Maybe they could offer more suggestions as possible ways to determine what those rare large gram positive rods were or what other options might exist for DNA sequencing.... |
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2009, 06:08:13 AM » |
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For clarification, in case readers aren't familiar with the use of the term "rare" in this context in lab data results. The words "rare large gram-positive rods" would normally mean a "few" large gram-positive rods, NOT rare in the sense of an unusual, hardly ever seen bacteria.
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Eventually they will understand,
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For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2009, 12:40:31 PM » |
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JustMe, these were 3 oz cans that were tested and only of the Beef varieties from Uruguay. Cat food only. BP as you indicated, there is definitely a USDA Organic stamp on the can label. I certainly think it will be worth sending USDA the reports that have come back. I still have some cans that I can send to them should they decide to test this food. BP, please hang on to yours for now. I also need to again express my eternal gratitude to Don Earl and the pfpsa.org. for all his hard work. It is an absolute pleasure to work with Don. And again a special thank you to Meowli for her assistance in this food testing project.  |
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