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« on: June 21, 2009, 06:07:42 AM »

http://www.pfpsa.org/news.html

June 20, 2009: A concerned pet owner provided pfpsa.org with funds and a variety of unrecalled dry cat food samples, which we received in ziplock bags, to have tested through the Washington Animal Disease Diagnostic Lab.

link to test results http://www.pfpsa.org/testresults.pdf

link to lab:  http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/toxicology.aspx
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2009, 08:06:24 AM »

Ever since I heard that the AAFCO standards allow such a wide variation in zinc levels, I have speculated that the reason for this is to let the PF companies slide by without much quality control and testing.  The poor consistency and quality control that the PFPSA story refers to is what you get when the fox is watching the henhouse.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2009, 12:27:20 PM »

I have a few concerns above and beyond the recalled pet food.

From what I can tell, the following amounts are outside of EU standards, not including the zinc (all totals are provided as mg/kg, or ug/g, or PPM):

Wellness Indoor:
     Calcium (DM) 8,667 - EU minimum 10,000
     Phosphorus (DM) 8,556 - EU minimum 8400 (note the cal:phos ratio, which seems off)

Indoor Nutro Natural:
     Copper (DM) 29 - EU maximum 28

ALL SAMPLES TESTED:
     Sodium - EU minimum 1,600 for maintenance (maximum provided 1,800 for growth - no max for maintenance)
     Regardless of whether a max is presented for cat maintenance, I'm bothered by the totals shown which seem quite high, particularly for renal or urinary cats.
     
Here is the sodium range:

Nutro Natural Choice 3,667 (DM)
Indoor Nutro Natural Choice 6,222 (DM)
Wellness Indoor 2,222 (DM) - this seems somewhat reasonable
Nutro Max Cat Adult 5,000 (DM)
Purina Cat Chow 6,444 (DM)
Max Cat (recalled sample) 5,667 (DM)

These DM totals are calculated using a standard 10% max moisture content.  Please bear in mind that makes these totals the Maximum amount with a range of 0%-10% moisture.

I have used EU standards simply because I don't have an up to date copy of AAFCO regulations (my copy is from 2006). 

Also, please feel free to correct any number or calculations.  I did this quite quickly, and well... on a Sunday afternoon my numbers could very well be off - I always appreciate correction or confirmation.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 04:05:18 AM »

Wellness Pet QA is checking the Indoor Health results. I'll let you know when I get an answer.


p.s. here's a link to the AAFCO 2008 nutrient profile for cats

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+2244&aid=657
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 09:51:03 AM »

Good work. It's going to be interesting to see if we can establish a pattern of sloppy and careless manufacturing practices amongst PF Institute represented brands and affiliates in particular.
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 03:43:34 PM »

Thanks for the link, 5Pitas - it's been bookmarked.   Grin

The lack of maximums is truly staggering.  Honestly, no maximum for sodium??  Sheesh.  It's no wonder so many cat treats/foods taste so darn salty (and yes, I know because I've eaten them).

I do consider the EU standards to be the highest quality standard available at the present time - although if anyone has another country in mind that has improved on the EU guidelines, please do let me know.  Thus, when looking at a nutrient analysis, I always lean towards EU minimums, maximums and quality standards.  Of course, the larger picture says that even EU standards are woefully inadequate. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 05:16:44 PM »

FWIW (about 2 cents LOL) I have looked at some of the cat food ingredients and I am seriously wondering if they are using the premixes to be what is putting digestible nutrition in the foods - nutrient dense from literally additive ingredients, not from the ingredients themselves. So, (hold that thought)..... that could be why some pet food companies are raising levels of premix nutrients... cos without them, you'd have a malnourished cat.  I had understood nutrient dense to be a positive with some pet foods because they in actuality are using ingredients with more nutrients for better nutrition. 

IMO, making a cat food nutrient dense isn't supposed to overdose them on supplements, processed supplements at that.

Nutrient dense foods originally came out with higher grade foods, and you didn't feed as much to your animal for it to get proper nutrition.

Now, nutrient dense seems to be being abused and I would not think most people would know to reduce the amount feed on expensive brands with cheaper ingredients boosted with "must exceed minimum" premix additions.


Part of the issue that might be that folks are feeding in the same manner a higher costing food with higher supplementation on still cheap ingredients...   high nutrient providing ingredients would be fed in smaller amounts.  Lots of us have seen that, I'm just not sure the average pet parent does.


example:  Chicken Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat Flour, Ground Rice, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Ground Whole Wheat, Natural Flavors, Chicken, Yeast Culture, Potassium Chloride, Salt

example: Poultry by-product meal, ground yellow corn, wheat flour, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, brewers rice, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols (source of vitamin E), fish meal, brewers dried yeast, animal digest,

It's hard to tell which one is premium and which one is not, and hard to tell which one would be loaded with more premix nutrient levels.

One of those costs about $6-$7 for a 3.5 lb bag and the other one costs  about $6.60 to $7.50 for a 3lb bag.
One of those has plenty of consumer complaints and the other you don't find very many. Looks like for about a $1.00 saving on initial purchase you also could save yourself $200.00 up in vet bills, maybe even your animal's health.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 05:22:42 PM »

5Pitas, I think you may be onto something.  Brands that use a lot of "filler", with little nutrition from the basic ingredients, may be adding large amounts of vitamins and minerals to make up for the fact that without them, the food would have little or no nutritional value.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2009, 05:34:04 PM »

FWIW, seems in last year about 100 cents per premium can with more nutrient premix. I think you're on to
something 2, 5Pitas.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2009, 06:16:50 PM »

 Huh   Sad

Think my cats and dogs would be better off on home cooked food with supplements that I measure and add in than all the PFC shortcuts and cwap.  I don't make big oopsie mistakes when I cook that make DH and myself sick, and I don't have to test my ingredients or finished product.  Heck. 

Now to get two 8-year-old kitties who refuse anything but cat food to eat real food.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2009, 06:19:11 PM »

JustMe- Will they eat tuna ? Thats how I got my kibble addicts switched,add tuna,then just tuna water. Before you know it they are eating homemade. I know the mercury isn't good,but it can't be any worse than toxic amounts of vitamins/minerals .
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2009, 06:21:56 PM »

Thanks, leslie.  I never tried straight tuna.   Embarrassed   They eat wet.  The one thing these 2 kitties are interested in is grease/oil.  Like drippings from a burger or a greased pan for cooking. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2009, 06:23:22 PM »

We've known this for a long time, haven't we?

Crappy ingredients = necessary supplementation

I have an issue, however, with calling the foods provided as examples as "premium".  

I think that there are grocery brands:

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Poultry by-product meal, ground yellow corn, wheat flour, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, brewers rice, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols (source of vitamin E), fish meal, brewers dried yeast, animal digest, phosphoric acid, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, tetra sodium pyrophosphate, calcium chloride, choline chloride, dicalcium phosphate, salt, taurine, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, vitamin supplements (E, A, B-12, D-3), L-Alanine, riboflavin supplement, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, pyridoxine hydrochloride, copper sulfate, citric acid, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), calcium iodate.

Brewers rice, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), ground yellow corn, soybean meal, animal liver flavor, chicken, turkey, phosphoric acid, calcium carbonate, natural and artificial flavors, potassium chloride, salt, brewers dried yeast, choline chloride, added color (Red 40, Yellow 5, Blue 2 and other color), zinc sulfate, taurine, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Corn Grits, Chicken Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Dried Egg Product, Natural Flavor, Sodium Bisulfate, Potassium Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), DL-Methionine, Brewers Dried Yeast, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Minerals (Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate).

Then, there are Specialty Store brands:

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Chicken By-Product Meal, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Brewers Rice, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Liver Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Sulfate, Choline Chloride, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Iodized Salt, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

Chicken Meal, Ground Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Plain Beet Pulp, Rice Flour, Natural Flavors, Rice Protein Concentrate, Herring Meal, Soybean Oil, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Vegetable Fiber (Carrots, Celery, Beets, Parsley, Lettuce, Water Cress, Spinach), Yeast Culture, Potassium Chloride, Menhaden Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Choline Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Taurine, DL-Methionine, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Inositol, Dried Bacillus licheniformis Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Extract, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Dried Chicory Root, Cranberry Powder, Niacin, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Calcium Iodate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid.

Chicken meal, brown rice, rice, corn, corn gluten meal, chicken fat, natural flavors, pea fiber, wheat gluten, rice hulls, dried beet pulp, soybean oil, calcium sulfate, sodium silico aluminate (zeolite), dried brewers yeast, fructo-oligosaccharides, dried egg powder, anchovy oil (source of EPA and DHA omega 3 fatty acids), salt, potassium chloride, taurine, choline chloride, L-lysine, DL-methionine, sodium tripolyphosphate, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), niacin, biotin, riboflavin (vitamin B2), D-calcium pantothenate, vitamin A acetate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], trace minerals [zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], decaffeinated green tea polyphenols, Lcarnitine, preserved with natural mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E) and citric acid, rosemary extract.

And then there are what I would consider TRUE premium foods:

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Ingredients: Turkey, Chicken Meal, Chicken, Potatoes, Eggs, Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and ascorbic acid), Rice, Herring, Sunflower Oil, Apples, Carrots, Milk (lactose free), Fish Oil (source of Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Garlic, Alfalfa Sprouts, DL-Methionine, Taurine, Sodium Ascorbate, dl-Alpha Tocopherol, Freeze Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Freeze Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Freeze Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Freeze Dried Lactobacillus Plantarum Fermentation Product, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Beta Carotene, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 supplement, Folic Acid, Calcium Iodate, Biotin.

Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Rice, Ground Barley, Ground Rice, Chicken Fat(preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a natural source of Vitamin E), Natural Chicken Flavor, Salmon Meal, Chicken Liver, Cranberries, Tomato Pomace, Olive Oil, Chicory Root Extract, Cranberry Extract Powder, Cranberry Fiber, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Thiamine Mononitrate, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement), Choline Chloride, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Kelp, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Hydrochloride, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Taurine, Rosemary Extract.

Chicken Meal,  de-boned Chicken, Whole Brown Rice, Whole White Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols a source of  vit. E),  Salmon Meal, Natural Chicken Flavor, Sunflower Oil, Rice Bran, Dried Apples, Dried Carrots, Potato, Dried Cranberries, Flaxseed Oil, Whole Dried Egg, Salmon Oil (a natural source of DHA). Suncured Alfalfa meal, Phosphoric Acid, Potassium Chloride,  Taurine,  Vitamins ( Vitamin E , Vitamin C,  Niacin, Inositol, Vitamin A, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ribolflavin, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D3, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12), Minerals ( Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate,  Zinc Oxide, Iron Proteinate,  Copper Sulfate,  Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate,  Sodium Selenite), DL Methionine, Chicory Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Rosemary.

Lastly, there are grain free premium foods - this is the category that I now consider "Super Premium":

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Fresh deboned chicken, chicken meal, turkey meal, russet potato, fresh deboned salmon (a natural source of DHA and EPA), herring meal, sweet potato, fresh deboned lake whitefish, peas, fresh deboned walleye, chicken fat (naturally preserved with vitamin E and citric acid), chicken liver, salmon meal, fresh deboned turkey, fresh whole eggs, fresh deboned herring, sun-cured alfalfa, salmon oil, chicory root, dehydrated organic kelp, pumpkin, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, saskatoon berries, black currants, choline chloride, psyllium, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile flowers, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, sea salt, vitamin supplements (vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, vitamin C, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, vitamin B5, vitamin B6, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12), mineral supplements (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium), dried Lactobacillus acidophilus product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.

Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Tapioca, Pumpkinseeds, Salmon Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Montmorillonite Clay, Chicken Liver Flavor, Chicken Liver, Dried Kelp, DL-Methionine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Sea Salt, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Apples, Chicken Eggs, Cottage Cheese, Cranberries, Freeze Dried Chicken, Freeze Dried Turkey, Freeze Dried Turkey Liver, Freeze Dried Turkey Hearts, Carrots, Ground Chicken Bone, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseeds, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Rosemary Extract, Alfalfa Sprouts, Olive Oil, Persimmons, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Sage, Clove.

Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Herring Meal, Potato, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a natural source of Vitamin E), Eggs, Turkey Meal, Natural Flavors, Apples, Carrots, Tomatoes, Cottage Cheese, Dried Chicory Root, Taurine, Herring Oil, DL-Methionine, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Riboflavin, Beta Carotene, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid), Minerals (Potassium Chloride,  Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Cobalt Carbonate, Calcium Iodate), Direct Fed Microbials (Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product,  Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium thermophilum Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product).


Foods that are considered "premium" tend to fall into the "specialty store" category - that is, food that is not sold in the grocery store, is available only to pet stores, but falls short in quality - in terms of an ingredient list that people would consider "premium."  The only thing different between Cat Chow and Hills, as far as I can tell, is their price and real estate.

The only reason I'm making such a case out of this is that I'm sick of the pet food industry bastardizing terms such as "premium".  There should NOT need to be an AAFCO definition of these terms in order to be sure that the PFCs aren't blowing smoke - sadly, even an AAFCO definition is unlikely to make a difference.  They'll just call them something else that sounds lovely and continue filling them with the same garbage.

As for the "nutrient dense" issue, again there are several meanings.  I don't consider the top two categories as "nutrient dense".  I consider them "vitamin dense" and "mineral dense" but the visions that the term "nutrient dense" evokes do NOT mesh with what is in those packages.

Even the third category, and yes, the fourth category, fails in some instances.  There are many grain free brands out there now that I consider to be full of fillers and artificial additives.  Corn is not the only enemy - an excess of anything but high quality meat and meat meals is to be avoided.  Yes, it's true that these days it seems you need a PhD in nutrition to read a pet food label - and to that I say thank doG for itchmo and other sites and individuals who strive to educate the public.  

I think what we've proven here is that brand name and packaging have little to do with safety.  Quality has little to do with safety.  Labels have little to do with safety.  It's terrifying, but it seems that relentless determination is the only thing that is going to ensure our safety.  

Sorry for the soap box... I'm a little frustrated today.   Embarrassed
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 06:50:12 PM »

Soap box is excellent!! LOL. I totally agree with you.  When you take the packaging off, some brands are not that different and ingredient labels defeat the advertsing. One has reps face to face (now how could they be not telling the whole story to you they care so much and are so helpful  Roll Eyes ) the other doesn't.

One of them was Nutro Max Adult and one was Purina Cat Chow. I think it's a fair opinion that one of them only claims to be "Natural Super-Premium Dog & Cat Food" in their advertising. That one seems to be nutrient dense from the "must exceed" in order for it to meet the essential nutrition that apparently is in its premix.  Both are in the pfpsa tests.  Haven't seen Nutro at the grocer yet, but do see the Purina there.

http://www.nutroproducts.com/
http://www.catchow.com/products_3.aspx
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2009, 06:58:59 PM »

Yes, 5Pitas, it's the fact that Nutro tries to market itself as a premium food, when it's about the same as the brands sold in the grocery, that really gets my goat.  I recognized the Nutro ingredient list, because I was deceived by their marketing in the past, and used the stupid stuff for over a year (which ended in April 2007 BTW, and I have the damaged cat to prove it.)  Never again.

And I see what you are saying--Purina Cat Chow would be safer!  and it doesn't pretend to be something it's not.
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