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Author Topic: Evangers Organic Can Cat food  (Read 17342 times)
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Arlo
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« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2008, 06:11:04 PM »

College student.  Have you spoken to your prof's yet?

You use PFC's Tongue for business classes?  Now I know what's wrong with the world. 
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kaffe
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« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2008, 06:27:23 PM »

It seems that you guys think you have the inside scoop about Evanger's.  I am a college student writing my business plan and a paper for my quality management class using Evanger's as my topic.  I called the owners and gave my valuable insight about the company, industry, market and everything else.  They gave me a tour of the facility.  I saw the process room where all the food is made.  They told me (and witnessed) the procedures that has to be done to keep such a high quality standard and ensure safety to all of its products.  And i was quite impressed.  For those who want to see my paper just ask and I will also ask Joel, the owner if Evanger's for his permission and send it to you via e-mail.  I notified him about these forums and told him that i will write a little about my experience.  Evanger's does internal quality checks of their food and they also send out product for external quality checks.  I witnessed this.  In the history of Evnagers, since 1935, no recall has ever been done or a pet death linked to any product that has left the facility.  The meat that they use comes from a human grade certified plant.  So before you start rumors do a little research.  The best way is to call the company and go directly to the source.

Fine.  You eat the food then, day in day out... and then write about your personal experience. 
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« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2008, 06:46:53 PM »

Well, Investigator, since you know a lot more about Evangers than we do, please tell us exactly where in the mfr process &/or paperwork they are not meeting FDA's requirements.  I'm not saying this to be snotty, we would all really really really like to know EXACTLY what the hell is going on there.  If nothing, and they are being targeted unfairly, then let us know.  If it's the paperwork that is the problem, then let us know.  If there is some section, or sections, in production line, then let us know.

Until we know exactly what is going on, we will continue to 'start rumors' (whatever that means??) and discuss what might we think might be going on.  I don't think anyone is starting rumors at all here, we are trying to figure out what might have gone wrong. 

And it might be just like you say, the plant might be great.  But those of us that have used the different foods made there in the past year have found a number of things WRONG with the products, from bent, rusty, water-spotted cans with dried food down the labels, plastic tubing & wrapper in the food, huge chunks of guar gum for months, lots of 'hulls' in a grainless cat food, etcetcetc.  Tell us, please do!!!  We really want to know!!!
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« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2008, 08:31:07 PM »

So very well said, petslave.  Thank you.....And don't forget the bone shards that could choke a kitty, and my own 1" chunk of something I could not identify (very hard) in 3-4 cans.  Perhaps a very large bone chunk or fat???  I don't think guar gum is hard.
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« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2008, 08:53:48 PM »

Oops, forgot the bone shards - I found several big bone chunks (NO, not cooked until soft, a sharp pointy chicken bone), a piece of plastic tubing, and months of huge guar gum chunks in the cat food I was feeding.  Plus the really bad looking cans - how DOES pet food end up all over the sides of the cans?  Others have their own lists of findings.

I do NOT want to see this company go out of business, and I have no idea if this is a case of nitpicking with the company in an attempt to reduce a competition from a small company.  I do know there are quality control issues, and they need to be straightened out.  I truley hope the problems with FDA, whatever they are, are taken care of, AND the QC issues are taken care of.
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« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2008, 02:23:40 PM »

 I dont think this has been posted yet.  From what I can see, the issue is somewhere in between what each party is saying, according to this Consumer Affairs article.  FDA says that they werent keeping proper paperwork that could lead to under-processed food that could lead to botulism.  So its not a simple matter of keeping paperwork, it had more serious repurcussions.....

   http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/04/pet_food_recalls94.html

FDA Orders Illinois Pet Food Maker to Clean Up Its Act
Risk of botulism in Evanger's dog, cat food 
 
The Food and Drug Administration has issued an order requiring that Evanger's Dog & Cat Food Co., Inc., in Wheeling, Ill., obtain an emergency permit from the agency before its canned pet food products enter interstate commerce.

A recent inspection revealed significant deviations from prescribed documentation of processes, equipment, and recordkeeping in the production of the company's thermally processed low-acid canned food (LACF) products, the agency said.

The FDA said the problems could result in under-processed pet foods, which can allow the survival and growth of Clostridium botulinum (C. botulinum), a bacterium that causes botulism in some animals as well as in humans.

"As outlined in the Food Protection Plan, the FDA uses a risk-based approach to locate the areas of greatest risk for foods, and targets preventive controls and inspections to those areas, " said Dr. Stephen Sundlof, director, Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. "The FDA's authority to issue an order requiring an emergency permit is an enforcement tool designed to prevent unsafe foods from reaching consumers.”

The FDA issues an "Order of Need for Emergency Permit” if it determines that a company fails to meet the regulatory requirements to process a product that does not present a health risk.

For Evanger's to resume business, the company must document that corrective actions and processing procedures have been implemented to ensure that the finished product will not present a health hazard.

Botulism is a powerful toxin that affects the nervous system and can be fatal. The disease has been documented in dogs and cats.

Signs of botulism in animals are progressive muscle paralysis, disturbed vision, difficulty in chewing and swallowing, and progressive weakness to the body. Death is usually due to paralysis of the heart or the muscles used in breathing.

In light of human botulism illnesses and recalls that occurred due to under-processed hot dog chili sauce, and potentially under-processed canned green beans, FDA has urged all LACF processors to review their operations and the apply scientific principals and regulations that have been established to provide a safe product.

 
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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2008, 02:56:58 PM »

It would be nice to see a response on this thread also.
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« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2008, 05:21:33 PM »

Thanks SandiK!!!

The President of Evangers has signed up to the forums.......but no response Angry

I started dealing with them for the Evanger's food back in April of 2007.  Everything was great up until August for me.  No responses back to emails.  No returned calls from messages left or customer service.

This past Friday I threw out 4 cases that I had since September that cats refused to eat.
I got tired of waiting and I asked for a refund in many phone messages and expressed the desire to return the unused food.  Something like this is just not fair.  I realize that they were probably bombarded by people looking for safe foods.  I was one and that was why I went to them.  But when quality control and customer service fall by the wayside........that's not my fault. Embarrassed
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 02:39:42 PM »

There are a couple of sales reps from Evangers that are addressing issues on this thread:

http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/evangers-t367.0.html;msg60337#msg60337
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Offly_irked
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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2008, 07:00:59 AM »

Evanger's has sent their advocates all over the internet to downplay the FDA response.

They have made themselves, IMO, the 2008 poster child proving by their own actions & statements across the Internet that we need nationwide uniform pet food regulations, mandatory recall authority and expanded public disclosure and oversight of the pet food industry.

Congratulations, Evanger's!!
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5CatMom
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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2008, 07:43:24 AM »

Investigator,

Welcome to the forums.  Maybe you can help us  Grin.

Let's be clear about one thing.  Part of the process here is to develop a hypothesis based on the information we have.

We are willing to be both fair and objective.

Unfortunately, in the past year we've learned that pet food companies are not forthcoming when we contact them.  When we do manage to get a response, it is usually short on facts, and consists mostly of corporate spin.

Since you are a student of quality business practices, can you please tell us:

When you toured the Evanger's plant, did you look at their handbook of Good Manufacturing Practices and their QA/QC procedures.  What is your impression of these?  Do they use statistical process contol techniques?  Any scatter diagrams, X bar R charts, etc?  Do they employ 6 Sigma techniques?  Please describe these.  Do they have a Quality Contol department?  A Quality Control Manager?  Please describe their QC staff.  Please describe their testing procedures.  How often do they test?  What do they test?  What lab do they use?  Can you please post the results of their testing for the past year.  What brands do they co-pack?

If you will work with us and provide us with proper information, we'll be happy to modify our working hypothesis.  In the absence of such, we do the best that we can. 

In the past year, we've spent many hours researching the pet food industry.  So, if you're writing papers and have any questions, please ask.  Here's a paper written by a Harvard law student that may be helpful to you:

http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/784/Patrick06.html

Thanks very much.             

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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2008, 02:44:14 PM »

Investigator & LoveDogs,

If you like the food so much, feel free to use it.
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