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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2007, 07:49:04 AM » |
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Is this where we make the "Two out of three ain't bad" joke?
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2007, 08:41:18 AM » |
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Is this where we make the "Two out of three ain't bad" joke?
Why yes it is, would love to hear a 2 out of 3 joke  db |
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2007, 08:46:00 AM » |
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Unfortunately, it's not just the thread. When you go to the Itchmo homepage and read the reports there, they are objective. Then the comments attached to the reports are completely out of control. Unfortunately most new readers see those comments before they even find the forums. Talk about spreading panic...
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2007, 10:07:56 AM » |
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Wow, ElenaL you know a lot about this type of stuff and dare I say, here we go again! Hopefully we can keep this both civil and informative AND avoid a DB lockup.
I've used the inexpensive Evangers Cooked Chicken and my babies love it. What I like about it is its just chicken.
just chicken? what else are you feeding/supplementing? also, is it supposed to be complete or is it one of those that says "not a complete meal, meant for supplemental purposes only" or something along those lines? Right now I'm "In Between" brands. When I am "in between" brands I always do more or less the following: Evangers Cooked Chicken, (Other times, home cooked chicken), white rice, brown rice, carrots, cottage cheese, egg and supplements. I prefer cooking chicken breast but Evangers works and is less time consuming. To be honest this changes one way or the other depending on my time and pocket book. Missing link as a supplement works. I was turned on to Evangers Cooked Chicken years ago by a friend. ah, ok  when i was still doing canned i noticed evangers (i think it was them) and another brand or 2 had canned meats available, but they claimed not to be a complete meal on the can, which was fine by me. just didn't know how many people would notice it and i worry that folks may be feeding it continuously. |
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2007, 12:12:49 AM » |
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ElenaL,
Thank you for sharing the Evanger's information. IMHO, knowing about such personal experiences is very helpful.
Do you plan to provide your lab reports to Itchmo and have your experience reported on the news board?
Wonder when Joel last tested the food? It would be interesting to know what his analysis showed.
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"What is man without the beasts? If the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit. For whatever happens to the beasts, soon happens to man. All things are connected." Chief Seattle
"We are the caretakers of our creatures . . . the peacekeepers of our planet"
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2007, 06:39:57 AM » |
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elena thanks for posting your findings. some people have been looking at copper and selenium additves to pet foods and recalls on these products on another post in itchmo. please don't be discouraged by the negativity toward people who talk about their test results..
Also where isthe post that was copied by lovemylabs , quoting DB?I couldn't find it in this post. maybe it was from another post ? maybe it was one db edited ?
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2007, 06:42:01 AM » |
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I think I remember reading or hearing that Evangers does the canning for Canidae/Felidae wet food. I don't recall where I read that or heard that. I contacted a lot of pet food companies back during the big recall, that may be where I heard it. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2007, 08:18:04 AM » |
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Evangers does do the canning for the Canidae/Felidae wet foods.
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2007, 09:06:35 AM » |
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yl,
I second your comment about not being discouraged, so thanks again, ElenaL.
Don't mean to sound like a broken record, but, I believe, information may be presented in various ways and still be helpful.
Anecdotal evidence is a "heads up" for pet owners to just be aware. That doesn't mean you have to swallow every detail - hook, line, and sinker. Don't go "blooey", just crank up your gain a notch.
Lab reports and technical information DO lend credence to reported information, but I remember that the Pet Food Recall was initiated by "rumors", (which I prefer to call "anecdotes") from pet owners who believed their food was an issue.
As I have written about anecdotal evidence, "it ain't exactly science, but it brought down Big Tobacco".
This is not to say that it's not POSSIBLE for someone to fraudulently report a problem with food. After all, anything is POSSIBLE.
It's just that most pet owners I know (including me), while we're not all lab research scientists, we ARE responsible people.
Mainly, pet owners want to help other pet owners.
It's a good thing to see that many new people are becoming Itchmo members and are participating in the forums. I love "newbies" and hope that they aren't put off by comments which they may view as "extreme" or "out of control". Just be aware that some people didn't lose one pet - they lost ALL THEIR PETS. IMHO, their anger is understandable. For sure, if I'd lost all my kitties (one was bad enough), I'd probably be in jail by now.
P.S. I'm using a bit of Evanger's canned in my transition program, so I appreciate ElenaL's information.
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2007, 11:21:39 AM » |
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Thanks for sharing, ElenaL! Also thanks to you, 5catmom, for reminding us to respect the grief of many of our members.
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"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." ----General Douglas MacArthur
"American GIs are not toy soldiers to be moved around on some global game board." ----General Colin Powell
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2007, 12:42:48 PM » |
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I just wanted to say that I have been on these boards since April, and I have never been disrespectful to any poster. I understand and sympathize with their grief. However, grief does not excuse the behavior of some people. When I posted a comment that attempts to be objective and asked questions on both sides, then I was told to stop defending the pet food companies that are all part of a big conspiracy to kill our pets and I can take off on "the broom" I came in on??? I'm sorry but there's no excuse in the world, and in my opinion, no place on this site for rude behavior like that. I didn't provoke anyone, I wasn't disrespectful, I simply asked a question. I don't think there is a massive pet food conspiracy, I think some companies were duped like we were, and it isn't fair, not to mention it could get Itchmo in trouble, to slander every single pet food company when we don't have hard facts. Anyway, I'm very upset by the way I was attacked, and it's really put me off on coming to any pet discussion site.
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2007, 01:55:51 PM » |
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Danielle,
I don't know what went on in the Itchmo blog, and was not taking sides against you, just agreeing with a general statement. But since you seem to have concerns about the blog manners, that could be a good discussion on another thread to start if you like, maybe in the Misc section. If you have concerns about things like libel or SLAPP lawsuits, you could do some research and start a thread on that topic under Law and Politcs perhaps. Both those issues could possibly be constructively addressed in the proper setting.
If you see something specific in a post that concerns you regarding possible legal ramifications, let Itchmo know. After that though, we just have to learn to: "Let go and let Itchmo..."
Just my thoughts.
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"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." ----General Douglas MacArthur
"American GIs are not toy soldiers to be moved around on some global game board." ----General Colin Powell
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2007, 04:15:35 PM » |
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Another Evangers labeling issue:
The labels for the canned Chicken state that they include Menadione, which has been banned by the FDA. I have in writing (though not signed) a fax Evangers sent to a local pet food store stating they they stopped using Menadione in 8/06 (cans with pull dates of 8/2011 & after are supposedly Menadione free) , but are still using old labeling. SOMEWHERE on itchmo is a statement from a government official saying that behavior is actually against the law, & that the myth that pet food labels only have to be accurate for 6 months a year is a myth.
I wish I would have bookmarked that post ( I THINK it was in a press conference blog on the main itchmo site).
After reading this thread, I'm glad my kitty made it clear he wasn't pleased with Evangers.
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2007, 04:23:51 PM » |
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2007, 04:41:15 PM » |
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Offy, thanks! I have now bookmarked my earlier post (-:
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