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ElenaL
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« on: September 07, 2007, 04:33:58 PM »

This is not what I hoped to be posting,but here it is.Like most of the people here I hoped to find a safe healthy canned food for my cats.I got some samples of Evangers Certified Organic Chicken & Evangers Certified Organic Turkey and Butternut Squash.I had these samples tested for melamine & cyanuric acid before feeding,they cleared,my 3 cats liked the food & I decided to order a large quantity ,spend $$$ to test a couple random samples again from the same batches & be set for about a year with peace of mind.That was the plan anyway.
 I sent samples of Organic Turkey & the Organic Chicken (made at different times this July)in for melamine/ cyanuric acid tests & they cleared.I was relieved right up until I went to feed the cats and they suddenly wouldn't eat it.I called Evangers,talked to the owner Joel Sher & asked if they had changed the formula as my cats suddenly did not want to eat the food .I was told no change in formula,but maybe used different supplier of meat & liver or maybe more or less white or dark meat was the reason they did not like.I also said this new stuff looked very different and had some clear globs in it.I was told this is probably guar gum that did not dissolve.I was told food was safe to feed.As I thought maybe I was being paranoid, I coaxed cats to eat the food & then it was barfed back up.At this point I started to wonder if something was wrong like lead or salmonella,so I sent 2 cans of each food (4 cans total of UNOPENED canned food) in for a lot of testing to Midwest Labs.On my reports,I immediately saw that the Evangers "Guaranteed Analysis" on label did not match the actual analysis.Fiber Max is listed at 1.5% but analysis showed 2.49 & 2.47 % and magnesium MAX is listed at .025 but showed .047 & .044 (DM would be .187 & .185),the numbers are 60% higher than stated for fiber and nearly double for magnesium.Those of us with Flutd cats look at magnesium levels and this makes a difference to me.Also of worry to me were the trace mineral levels.Oh,and the pet food industry apologists can spare themselves some typing:AAFCO does not list a maximum level for any trace mineral except zinc at 2000ppm for cats,but one of the animal nutritionists I talked to said National Research Council current recommendations list it capped at 600ppm.I don't have $300 to buy this book to verify.He also looked up some European RDA's and said RDA of copper for 10lb cat is about 400-500 mcg & for zinc around 4-5 mg.Again I don't have access to the books professional animal nutritionists do.
The levels for Organic Turkey          &      Chicken :
copper 26ppm as fed 104 dry wt.    & 28 as fed 117 Dry
zinc 154ppm as fed 618 dry           & 138 as fed & 577 dry weight
PPM parts per million is the same as mg/kg.By my calculations,(verified with a chemist,but maybe I'm wrong since school was long ago) each can of food has over 4 mg of copper.RDA for adult humans is 2mg,MAX for 1-3 yr old kids is 1mg as a reference.Following advice I got from 3 different professionals,I had Midwest retest the foods to make sure there was no lab error ,same results of trace minerals.Are these levels common ? Not that I could find.Do I know for sure what these levels will do after 1 feeding or 365 feedings? Nope,and as far as I could find no one else does either.I'll pass on using my babies as test subjects,thanks.And some dog breeds are very susceptible to copper toxicity.
 I've made numerous calls to Joel about this.His first reaction was Midwest was wrong,but there was a remote possibility "someone added 10 lbs of vitamin mineral premix instead of 1lb".As I tested 2 different foods made different weeks,there would have had to have been more than 1 error.Joel was "not really worried" and would "look into it" and finally, no one's reported a dead cat & "This is an anomaly" and that more frequent testing of his food would raise the price by a dollar a can...Myself,I'd pay quite a bit for an actually tested ,safe & healthy canned food & I doubt I'm alone.I decided to see whether Midwest or Evangers was the one who was in error.So,with my test cost total at way over $1000 already,I send batch samples to yet another lab for trace mineral testing.Trace mineral levels & magnesium showed similar.So,here I am considerably poorer,with no peace of mind.I did not have all tests run,so Vitamin A & D & B's & selenium etc levels are not known.Nor did I test for dioxins or botulism.
I do not know if any other Evangers food has these levels,but if you've been using any of the foods canned there it may be a good idea to send in for testing.The trace mineral only test is like $30-$40 per can.This was a very condensed tale of my experience and conversations the last 2 months,but I thought I'd share,so you can decide for yourselves.I've taken further actions (as was recommended by one of the Doctors I consulted),but have no real hope anyone will care.
PS Here is a link I was sent when I was researching high trace mineral levels http://www.fda.gov/cvm/Documents/HHEGoNatural.pdf  or google Petcurean Go Natural & trace minerals & see how that turned out.
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2007, 06:15:50 PM »

Thank you for posting your lab results on trace minerals in Evangers' can cat food.  I am interested becuase I have on occassion since the petfood recall fed a few varieties of this brand to my cats.  I do  not anymore since switching the cats to a raw diet.  But I give the Felidae Platinum now and again for a "break" (maybe once a week).  Felidae is canned by Evangers.  So, I am also wondering now about Felidae's "Guaranteed Analysis."  Oh man... when will all this end? 
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Laurie
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2007, 06:27:14 PM »

   This makes me want to question the "guaranteed analysis" of any pet food. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe this also came up about a Timberwolf food awhile back.  Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 06:39:26 PM »

ElenaL,

What was the second lab you used?  I wanted to have some of my pets' food tested for nutrition/labeling accuracy, etc.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 08:32:40 PM »

Wow, ElenaL you know a lot about this type of stuff and dare I say, here we go again! Hopefully we can keep this both civil and informative AND avoid a DB lockup.

I've used the inexpensive Evangers Cooked Chicken and my babies love it.  What I like about it is its just chicken.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 08:37:23 PM »

I feed my dog Evangers are they the same company that makes the Candiae or however you spell that HuhHuh?  This has me worried....ANYONE???  Thanks ahead I am seldom on nowdays and saw they found tylonal in the dry Candiae (sp)  I just want meat in my cans thats all I ask ya know  Sad
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2007, 08:42:25 PM »

To my knowledge Evangers and Canidae are different companies. I don't know who makes their products but you can always check out the pet food list

http://www.thepetfoodlist.com/manufacturers.htm


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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 08:45:52 PM »

Wow, ElenaL you know a lot about this type of stuff and dare I say, here we go again! Hopefully we can keep this both civil and informative AND avoid a DB lockup.

I've used the inexpensive Evangers Cooked Chicken and my babies love it.  What I like about it is its just chicken.

just chicken? what else are you feeding/supplementing? also, is it supposed to be complete or is it one of those that says "not a complete meal, meant for supplemental purposes only" or something along those lines?
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 08:52:35 PM »

Thanks DB I am not making accusations  I am just mentioning the results I read on this site...Thanks again for the link I will check it out
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2007, 09:04:11 PM »

Wow, ElenaL you know a lot about this type of stuff and dare I say, here we go again! Hopefully we can keep this both civil and informative AND avoid a DB lockup.

I've used the inexpensive Evangers Cooked Chicken and my babies love it.  What I like about it is its just chicken.

just chicken? what else are you feeding/supplementing? also, is it supposed to be complete or is it one of those that says "not a complete meal, meant for supplemental purposes only" or something along those lines?

Right now I'm "In Between" brands.  When I am "in between" brands I always do more or less the following:

Evangers Cooked Chicken, (Other times, home cooked chicken), white rice, brown rice, carrots, cottage cheese, egg and supplements. I prefer cooking chicken breast but Evangers works and is less time consuming. To be honest this changes one way or the other depending on my time and pocket book.

Missing link as a supplement works.  I was turned on to Evangers Cooked Chicken years ago by a friend.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2007, 09:09:08 PM »

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I am just mentioning the results I read on this site.

Sandybeach

I understand that, just that those results are NOT conclusive, there is much going on and it isn't wise to panic or stop feeding any particular food until all the facts are known. If your pets show no problems then that would be the best indicator I can think of.

db

db you are one smart bat? Not conclusive is the ticket. Too many holes and I'm glad you locked it up. Again lets keep this thread informative, responsible and factual.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2007, 09:27:58 PM »

Thanks db,

Oh, I also feed "Meatloaf"  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2007, 09:56:58 PM »

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Oh, I also feed "Meatloaf

I believe that you are the first one that noticed the icon and knew who it was.  Grin

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2007, 03:26:09 AM »

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Oh, I also feed "Meatloaf

I believe that you are the first one that noticed the icon and knew who it was.  Grin

db

If it's any consilation, I knew what your icon was from the get go. I never mentioned it cause I assumed everyone else would know as well. I'm a music geek though...
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2007, 06:39:34 AM »

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That is not enough to make any kind of conclusion. So to say that this food is not safe is ridiculous, to stop feeding this and change makes little sense either.

I'm with you dingbat. Unfortunately, I tried to post the same point on the blog under the most recent Canidae story and was thoroughly attacked and insulted by the pet food vigilantes.  I'm all for attacking companies that knowingly did something wrong and caused pets to die. But I don't think it's right to spread rumors about decent companies that may not have a problem, may not have any knowledge of a problem and/or the problem is not caused by them and they are victims too. That's called slander.  Apparently such opinions are few and far between on here anymore, and it's a shame that there doesn't seem to be any respect for others anymore either.
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