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« on: July 18, 2009, 09:49:27 AM » |
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Please remember the posts on Selenium.
Selenium is much higher than what is added. Grains carry natural amounts of selenium and can be at toxic levels before they add more. It all depends on where the grain was grown.
Feed companies DO NOT test for it. They never test the grain before it is used.
They use a computer program that always has the same predicted level. That is how they balance feeds. The problem with that is the Selenium level in grain is different all the time.
There is Wheat coming out of South Dakota that is as high as 10. ppm. It is being shipped all over the country. Some grain is grown in low selenium states, but much of that is exported out of the country. When that grain runs out, watch the rail car loads of grain coming in from out of State.
The only way to know is for you to test it, or tell your State Department of Agriculture to test for it. Tell them this: They always think it's an accidental mixing error. They don't think to test the grain before it goes into the food.
FDA is investigating, don't let this drop, please call the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) and let them know what you think. But, best of all, have a test result to back you up.
I recently got a blood test done on my dog for Selenium levels. He is pushed to the top limit and ready to spill over. It can take a year or more to happen. It is accumulative.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2009, 10:15:54 AM » |
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dq,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. How is your dog doing?
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2009, 10:54:05 AM » |
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The reason I took him to the doctor was his little vomiting episodes were becoming more frequent. Not vomiting food so much as small watery Bile colored stuff.
I saw this same thing in my pigs when they started to go toxic. Since the pigs got sick from the grain and grain by-products, why not the pets?
Any way, the livestock feed in the western states is testing high in Selenium. So much that it has alarmed even the greatest skeptics. The AAFCO!
Remember that a farmer takes his grain to a regional Warehouse/Broker. The Broker then has the farmer dump his grain, into a big bin, on top of the other farmers grain. They probably run it under a black light to check for Aflatoxin. (Yes you can check your own feed for Aflatoxin with a black light, it shines greenish yellow)
They run a few protein and fat and fiber tests and then ship it to whatever feed or food manufacturing facility that orders it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2009, 06:55:55 PM » |
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Wow, dq,
You're the closest we have to someone in the business of pet food who knows what happens to the original ingredients. Thanks so much for the warning. We are wary of added selenium and are aware that the natural levels in foods can vary. Are there any crops other than grain where selenium has tested very high? Potatoes? Peas? Any idea? Some of us don't feed foods with grains, so that wouldn't be a source, but what about the other ingredients.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2009, 09:58:30 PM » |
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Bug what about the on the ingredient list on the labels when it says sodium selenite? That is the synthetic form of selenium when the natural one from yeast can be used which most pet food companies opt for the synthetic one. I did start a topic on here about Sodium Selenite maybe 6 weeks or so ago.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2009, 10:10:59 PM » |
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Welcome dq and thanks for pointing out from the tests on your dog that the selenium is cumulative and builds up.
Bran, brewer's yeast, onions, kelp, tomatoes, eggs and milk are sources of selenium. Pure selenium may be toxic and as the body requires only very small amounts, should come only from natural foods, according to the experts.
dq How is you dog doing now?
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2009, 10:18:49 PM » |
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What would be side effects to look out for? The bile vomit, is it on a daily basis and at what times? All day or in the morning? I hope your baby gets better!! Thank you so much for the heads up!!
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2009, 08:54:45 AM » |
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There is only one cat food I know of that uses organic selenium and the new runs after the Menu-made cans run out probably will not have the organic form as Mars has taken over the company (Medi-Cal, bought by Royal Canin owned by Mars).
JJ, I had participated in the other thread and I know we went through a lot of information on that.
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Red and Bones, my baby boys, you'll always be in my heart. Mom will see you later. Look after each other, ok?
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 07:27:26 AM » |
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The reason I took him to the doctor was his little vomiting episodes were becoming more frequent. Not vomiting food so much as small watery Bile colored stuff.
I saw this same thing in my pigs when they started to go toxic. Since the pigs got sick from the grain and grain by-products, why not the pets?
Any way, the livestock feed in the western states is testing high in Selenium. So much that it has alarmed even the greatest skeptics. The AAFCO!
Remember that a farmer takes his grain to a regional Warehouse/Broker. The Broker then has the farmer dump his grain, into a big bin, on top of the other farmers grain. They probably run it under a black light to check for Aflatoxin. (Yes you can check your own feed for Aflatoxin with a black light, it shines greenish yellow)
They run a few protein and fat and fiber tests and then ship it to whatever feed or food manufacturing facility that orders it.
Found this bit of information that is used to test for AFLATOXIN and just bumping it up. |
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