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« on: July 11, 2013, 05:49:11 PM »

I didn't want to go too far off topic in the thread about the Cal Nat dry recall, but did want to update on how I've done with trying to switch my cats to different food.

Since there is no other single dry food out there that is safe for all my cats with all their different parameters (two early CRF, one hyperT and extremely picky but needs calories, older cats get constipated on grain-free, all of them get diarrhea on foods with a lot of peas, one cat with corn allergy, one with fish allergy and some others probable that I haven't been able to pin down), I've tried to offer most of the food in separate areas, and use my last remaining small amount of Cal Nat in the common area.

I bought about the only other fish-free dry food I could find for Linley, NV Instinct Turkey. He isn't thrilled. He wants his Cal Nat. He is the youngest and I figured had the best chance of not getting constipated on a grain-free food like the others.

Isis seems to be accepting Fromm Chicken a la Veg OK, knock on wood. She did not like Natural Planet. Kalahari used to choke on Fromm's small BB-like kibble, but so far, so good. She's not enthusiastic, but she does not eat a lot of dry food.

Phantom has long had Fromm Duck a la Veg as her food, so we are continuing with that. She doesn't like the chicken kind that Isis is eating.

I am concerned that Linley will get hold of the Fromm, which has salmon oil he's allergic to, but I don't have much choice. They all get wet food too, but eat varying amounts, and my elderly girls need their calories. I can't afford for any of them to lose any weight.
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 07:32:11 AM »

Sheesh!  I'm glad you've been able to find something for everyone so far.  It's a full-time job just finding food for the cats Tongue  Fingers crossed for you regarding Linley Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 08:29:38 AM »

Do you think Linley could tolerate Holistic Select Duck?  Maybe too many ingredients?  Do you know how he does with glucosamine or kelp?

http://www.holisticselect.com/dry-cat-food-duck-meal

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 08:39:22 AM »

OMG, I cant imagine having to deal with more than one kitty with food issues, you've done a tremendous job with them, catbird. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 01:04:02 PM »

Thanks!  Add to this the fact that some foods with fine ingredients for Phantom make her chin break out (we think it may be the plastic in some kinds of bags!) and it's a real trip!

Spartycats, thanks,  I will try your suggestion for Linley. Kelp is questionable, but we will do a food trial.

If somebody with a clean plant would just make the same forumula as Cal Nat Chicken and Brown Rice, I'd be very, very happy. Why is it so hard to make dry cat food without all sorts of weird ingredients? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 03:43:08 PM »

Seriously, how can it be so hard to find safe food?   Angry

Truly incredible how you're handling such a difficult situation for your home!  I can't imagine it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2013, 05:31:51 PM »

Well, Linley has come up with a red, runny nose; red itchy ears, and little red bumps on his head in the thin hair area in front of the ears. He's got to be allergic to something in one of the two new dry foods I'm giving him, the Instinct or the Holistic Select. We started the Instinct this week, and he loves it, but it's been this week that the symptoms have come on, so I suspect that's the culprit. Drat, drat, drat!  Why can't anyone else make a decent hypoallergenic cat food?Huh
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2013, 05:34:15 PM »

Oh, dangit!!  I'm sorry to hear that.  I hope you can find something else.  Guh!!
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2013, 05:40:33 PM »

To make matters worse, he actually loves the food!

I am getting so desperate that I just looked up the ingredients for Purina HA. There is soy protein isolate in it, and more rice than meat! Why on earth would they put an allergen like soy in a hypoallergenic diet? I may have to try the Royal Canin one, even though it's primarily peas; he seems to tolerate peas better than the other cats do.  Why do they make this a "prescription" diet? I'd have to call the vet in order to get it, and they are not open until Monday.

Rant, rant, rant.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2013, 05:06:10 AM »

Not sure when they started, but Petguard now has a couple of dry cat foods. I tried to copy/paste ingredients from one flavor-peas are there but down on the list.


PetGuard Organic Mature Cat Food
PetGuardĀ® Organic Mature Cat Food has arrived! Wholesome Organic Chicken and Healthy Organic Grains generously blended with Nutritious Organic Vegetables. Organic Mature Cat Food has earned the USDA Certified Organic seal.
PetGuardĀ® Organic Mature Cat Food is formulated with more than 95% organic ingredients for the good health of your mature cat..

Free Of By-Products, Artificial Flavoring, Artificial Colors, Sweeteners And Sugars. Free Of Yeast, Soy, Wheat  And Corn. No Hormones, No Antibiotics, No Steroids. Naturally Preserved With Vitamins E and C
INGREDIENTS:
Organic Chicken, Organic Quinoa, Organic Oat Groats, Organic Barley, Organic Flax Meal, Organic Chicken Broth, Organic Brown Rice, Organic Chicken Fat, Organic Sunflower Oil, Organic Carrots, Organic Spinach, Organic Potatoes, Organic Peas, Organic Kelp, Organic Amaranth, Organic Apple Fiber, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Ascorbate (Source of Vitamin C), Vitamin A Supplement, Calciferol (Source of Vitamin D), Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (Source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine (Source of Vitamin B1), Biotin, Niacin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of Vitamin B6), Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Calcium Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Sodium Selenite.

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2013, 05:15:04 AM »

The other flavor-no peas- "Cat & Kitten" :

PetGuard Premium Cat & Kitten Dry Food
Free of By-Products, Corn, Soy, Wheat and Yeast
INGREDIENTS:
Fresh Chicken, Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Sunflower Oil, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Fish Oil, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Kelp, Dried Whey, Calcium Ascorbate (Source of Vitamin C), Apple Fiber, Alfalfa Meal, Sea Salt, DL-Methionine, Lecithin, Taurine, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, L-Lysine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Vitamin A Supplement, Ergocalciferol (Source of Viatmin D2), Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (Source of B2), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine (Source of Vitamin B1), Biotin, Niacin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of Vitamin B6), Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Sodium Selenite.



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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2013, 09:32:29 AM »

Thanks for looking these up, Meowli. Unfortunately, one contains fish oil, and both have kelp, which we are suspecting more and more as a problem for Linley, although it's hard to say right now, because there are a lot of strange ingredients in the Instinct.

Speaking of Linley, I have never seen him look this bad! The poor guy looks like he has kitty chicken pox, and even his lips have redness and swelling. His ears are all scratched up inside. We stopped the Instinct as of yesterday, and it looks like the nasal drainage may have let up somewhat, but I feel so bad for him. Cry

Does anyone know how many mg of Benadryl, and how often, is appropriate for a large cat (like in the 15-20 lb range)? We have some human tablets that I could split, and I'd like to give him some relief. Although he is acting fairly normal, he must be very itchy and uncomfortable, and his eyes look sad. He looks at me like, "Make it go away, please." He seems extra-hungry, too; don't know what that is all about.

I will be scheduling a vet visit next week, most likely, because when he's had a bad allergic reaction in the past, it brings on yeast in his ears, which he then needs prescription drops to get rid of.  I will wait a few days after the reaction subsides to determine if his ears still look moist and itchy, and if so, I'll take him in.

I need the Cal Nat back! It seems literally to be the only dry food he can eat! My poor little catboy.

ETA: I have emailed Natura through their website asking when it will be back. While obviously using a food that's twice been recalled for salmonella, and that I'm assuming a contaminated bag of made my three other cats sick last year, is not the best, I have run out of options for Linley.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2013, 10:15:27 AM »

You've probably found the info re: Benadryl.  I haven't used it before but several websites indicate .25 mg or .5 mg for each pound, every 12 hours.  I hope it helps the poor guy!  I feel for both of you Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2013, 11:50:06 AM »

Nothing to add, but I'm so sorry that you're having such a hard time with Linley. It hurts my heart to read about his problems.
Any chance that, for the time being, you might cook something for him? That way you could control the ingredients? (I know, none of my 3 will eat anything but kibble or baby food meat, so it's not as easy as it sounds.)
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2013, 12:23:01 PM »

Poor Linley! I hope he feels better and less itchy soon! Also hope Cal-Nat comes back - and takes their quality control more seriously this time!

There just has to be an alternative just in case - out there. Instinct, though, has that unusual clay in it,not sure if thats an ingredient that can trigger allergies.

Too bad the less expensive dry foods have corn or wheat but the higher end "natural" brands have to use strange ingredients. I agree with the drat!

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