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« on: January 12, 2012, 05:50:31 AM »

http://www.hillspet.com/faq-ingredients-and-myths.html 

The truth about meat: (emphasis mine)

Some individuals believe that meat-based foods are more natural and thus better. However, meat is not the only protein source. For example, corn gluten meal and eggs offer high quality protein, too. High meat diets are usually excessive in calcium, sodium and phosphorus which are not appropriate for older pets. Hill's is committed to the highest nutritional standards and has always made decisions purely based on nutrition, not on trends or fads, for more than 50 years.

http://www.hillspet.com/products/sd-feline-adult-ideal-balance-grain-free-chicken-and-potato-dry.html


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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 05:58:45 AM »

Uh, did anyone ever tell Hill's that not all proteins are created equal?  That plant proteins have different amino acids than animal proteins?  And that the more processed a food is, the more nutrients disappear?

I think whoever wrote this copy at Hill's should go and eat grass day in and day out.  After all, humans need fiber, moisture, vitamins, some calories...those are all in grass.  That would make about as much sense as having a carnivore eat a mostly-grain diet for a lifetime.  Wink

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 06:08:35 AM »

I particularly admire that their new grain-free is not following a trend or fad.  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 06:09:39 AM »

So Hill's thinks they can improve upon nature? They can take an animal who's every system is streamlined to process and thrive on animal-based protein and make it healthier by feeding it products that are not part of its natural diet and cannot even be properly digested?

Excuse me while I go bang my head on a wall.

Arrogant. Greedy. And quite thoroughly, egregiously, incorrect. 

From the well-renowned endocrinologist, Dr. Peterson's latest article (Can Increasing the Amount of Fat or Carbohydrate in a Cat's Diet Compensate for Low Protein Intake?): "Because these feline hepatic enzyme systems are constantly active, a fixed amount of dietary (or muscle) protein will always be catabolized for energy no matter how much energy in the form of carbohydrate or fat the cat ingests."
 
In other words, every single cat that isn't receiving adequate amounts of animal protein in its diet is sabotaging its own muscles for the protein it needs just to power its body for another day.

Thanks, Hills, for taking such *great* care of today's cats.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 11:32:28 AM »

Here's more info on their new food.  Hummm, where's the BHA and BHT?  Maybe they decided to not use those swell ingredients.  

Hill's Ideal Balance Grain Free Adult Chicken & Potato Dinner

"Ideal Balanceā„¢ is a combination of natural ingredients and the power of advanced nutrition to create a pet food that is perfectly balanced. For adult cats, Ideal Balanceā„¢ Grain Free has fresh chicken as the 1st ingredient with fruits and vegetables including cranberries, limited animal protein sources to help minimize risk of food sensitivity, and No corn, wheat, soy, dairy, beef, artificial colors or flavors."

Ingredients:
Chicken, Pea Protein Concentrate, Potato Starch, Dried Egg Product, Chicken Fat, Dried Potato, Chicken Meal, Meat Protein Isolate, Dried Beet Pulp, Powdered Cellulose, Flaxseed, Chicken Liver Flavor, Lactic Acid, Cranberries, Apples, Peas, Carrots, DL-Methionine, L-Lysine, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Broccoli, Calcium Sulfate, Cysteine, Iodized Salt, Vitamin E Supplement, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Potassium Chloride, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

http://www.hillspet.com/products/sd-feline-adult-ideal-balance-grain-free-chicken-and-potato-dry.html


Didn't know that cats have a nutritional requirement for vitamin C, but maybe this is "only" an acidic palatant, and not of any nutritional value.

http://www.petfoodindustry.com/The_science_and_safety_of_petfood_palatability_enhancers.html
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 11:55:29 AM »

http://www.hillspet.com/faq-ingredients-and-myths.html 

The truth about meat: (emphasis mine)

Some individuals believe that meat-based foods are more natural and thus better. However, meat is not the only protein source. For example, corn gluten meal and eggs offer high quality protein, too. High meat diets are usually excessive in calcium, sodium and phosphorus which are not appropriate for older pets. Hill's is committed to the highest nutritional standards and has always made decisions purely based on nutrition, not on trends or fads, for more than 50 years.

http://www.hillspet.com/products/sd-feline-adult-ideal-balance-grain-free-chicken-and-potato-dry.html

In my experience, if you feed Hill's long enough, you won't have to worry about feeding an older pet.

I'll alway believe that feeding Hill's for 13 years led to the premature death of several of my cats.  Cancer took 'em out.  Two were 13 years old (almost to the day), and one was a youngster.

We'll never feed another Hill's product.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 01:15:23 PM »

Hills or not, those ingredients are very common to most pet/cat foods and they used to read worse than that. I like that they've said that their not on any bandwagon. Yeah, OK. Well, overall, though, the ingredient listing in many pet foods have improved over the years. Gone is corn, wheat, menadione, iron oxide and a few other previously widely-used ingredients in cat food. I just wish the quality and safety of what's being put into the food at any given time was paramount.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 04:10:59 PM »

Somebody at Hills forgot to think about seniors & potatoes ! Potatoes are in the nightshade family & aggravate arthritis. And how is going grain free not jumping on the bandwagon ? How about just feeding meat ? Not to mention how many animals have trouble with peas  Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 09:41:31 PM »

Wow, that ingredient list looks great compared to the renal crap food I'm feeding Tessa now.  But between her not wanting to eat homemade food anymore, and me being too afraid it will push her over the edge if it's is too high protein/phosphorous for her, I just keep feeding her the crap food.  Goes against everything I believe in, but I don't know what else to do to keep her alive.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 06:23:52 AM »

Petslave, you do what you have to do. Mine ALL eat SD and have since Cassie's megacolon surgery. It seems to be working okay for them (I have stopped reading the ingredient label) and their fur is soft and shiny and they are all doing well. The three littermates (Cassie, Rascal and Gracie) won't even consider wet food and with CJ's kidney issues, they can all eat the senior kibble and they WILL eat it. Sometimes you just have to do the best you can do and be grateful that you have found something that's working.

In my perfect world, things would be different, but we are all doing the best we can.

I'm glad that you have something that Tessa is eating that seems to be working for you right now. I guess look at your cat, stop reading the ingredients and judge how well her food is working based on how she's doing.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 08:33:12 AM »

I agree with catmom5.  When we got Sophers, I swore that this kitty would be fed nothing but good quality wet food and I would also feed home-cooked.  Like catmom said, in a perfect world....buuuuut....we ran across one little problem.....the cat.   Cheesy  She seems to want a say in what she will eat or not eat, imagine that.  Dont beat yourself up, petslave. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 09:43:46 AM »

Gosh, I guess I got things started.  Always interested in everyone's opinions.  Our Grub gets k/d kibble also, Petslave.  She won't eat the canned (or any brand for renal kitties & she won't eat homemade).  She likes Wellness and Fancy Feast cans.  We have maintained her a long time on fluids, but I am noticing so much muscle wasting.  Don't know if that's where she is in her disease process, or if it's about the quality/amount of the protein.

My boys absolutely love another "lower quality" brand kibble, but I am nervous about the corn issues right now.  What gets me about SD is not their stance on nutrition, but that they ignore it when there is now a market among consumers for grain-free.  All of their foods are comparatively low in minerals (esp. calcium, phosphorus, magnesium), and they state this protects organs, and they seem to feel that "excess" minerals are harmful, especially to older cats.  But I cannot find this substantiated in the literature - by any controlled scientific studies.  But since they are so closely "tied" to veterinarians, it all sounds so factual. 

I was reading an article recently about a study that seemed to indicate that cats adjust their intake of water based not on the amount of water in the diet, but on dry-matter content of the diet (Potential renal solute load - The PRSL consists of urea (an end product of protein metabolism) and the ions sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, phosphate, chloride, and sulfate)  So the higher the protein, the more water cats take in (as well as sodium). 

Honestly, the more I learn, the less I know.  When I was young, we just opened a can of Puss-N-Boots for the kitty.


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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2012, 09:59:01 AM »

Honestly, the more I learn, the less I know.  When I was young, we just opened a can of Puss-N-Boots for the kitty.

I hear ya, Spartycats!  My mom just fed our cat Friskies when we were younger, the cat lived til it was 21.

ETA:  Awwww, you didnt start anything.  People here know "one size doesnt fit all" when it comes to kitties.  Cheesy  {{{{hugs}}}}  And I always like the info you find, its interesting!
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2012, 11:17:40 AM »

There is definitely no one-size-fits-all!  As many have said before, you do what you have to.  My oldest cat eats very little wet food, and often throws up when she does eat wet food (except for her fresh-caught mice that she swallows whole when she can get them in the house.  Doesn't even burp from those.)  We have to avoid corn because she is allergic to it, and fortunately she will eat the better-quality foods that don't have it.

I think the Puss-N-Boots of years ago may have been better than a lot of the mainstream cat foods are today!  Plus, said kitty may have been supplementing her diet with prey, since more cats were indoor/outdoor in years past.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2012, 12:17:15 PM »

Sparty,

You didn't start anything Grin.  All the different experiences and opinions is what makes this forum fun.

LOL, were you having a flashback to the "good" old days days when the Itchmo gang was new and food fights were a daily feature?

I'm glad we're waaay past that.  At least I think we are - haven't seen a food fight here in a long time.

You guys know that I'll never have much respect for the pet food industry, and some of my comments reflect that, but no way would I ever criticize anyone's food choices.

Love you guys.

Furry hugs,

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