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« on: August 09, 2010, 03:22:41 AM »

No more Ziwipeak for us after all the recent troubles. So I am now searching for alternatives and would appreciate suggestions.

My main problem is Sophie's IBD which is irritated by any kind of kibble, and Mitzie throws up from freeze-dried. So since I am already feeding them separate wet foods,
I have decided to separate the dry as well. So the plan is as follows, please comment if you have any experience on any of these foods:

1. Fish4cats dry for Stefie and Mitzie only, strictly rationed so that Mitzie will not get too fat again. Ingredients: Cod 34%, Potato 21.3%, Herring Meal 26.5%, Salmon Oil 9.6%, Beet Fibre 5.2%, Brewers Yeast 2.0%, Minerals 0.8%, Vitamins 0.6%. UK brand, no ethoxyquin used for herring meal. They loved the food when we tried it.

2. Oma's pride freeze dried duck for Sophie. Since it is not a complete food, I will need to rotate. This one is available in HK, but we have no other flavors locally.
If anyone knows any place which ships Oma's pride internationally, I would be very grateful, since it would be nice to get freeze-dried turkey organs for home cooking later.

3. Only natural pet chicken and vegetables freeze dried for Sophie, as part of rotation.

4. Honest kitchen also for Sophie as part of rotation.

5. Treats for nutritional supplementation, Dr. Harvey's Power Patties (green tripe) and NW Naturals 100% Chicken Liver Treats.

6. I also ordered Animal Essentials Natural Calcium (derived from seaweed) and I plan to start home-cooking even before we move (though won't be able to do it
on regular basis until after the move due to need for more storage space). If you know better source of calcium, I would appreciate it.

So that's the best I could come up with so far. Nature's variety freeze dried is not an option due to the problems they had and issues with denaturing. Grandma's Lucy is something possible, but I left that for later since when we tried Grandma Lucy treats they weren't that enthusiastic.

If anyone has any comments or suggestions, I'd really appreciate it. I cannot feed canned only since the foods I feed are not complete foods and although I rotate regularly
I cannot be sure they would get sufficient variety.
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2010, 03:26:03 AM »

One funny thing, when searching what is available locally I found these treats
"kuchakucha FD Japanese Fire [mean/disagreeable person] Halibut 100g(2bags)":

http://www.noblepetshop.com/en/product/item/7903/product_detail.html

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Maybe August can clarify the mystery, what is that?!?!?


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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2010, 05:31:28 AM »

LOL, what on earth is that translation?!

I clicked on the bag to see it bigger and I can't figure out how they would have come up with mean/disagreeable person.

All I can read is (roughly translated) "thinly sliced halibut jerky."  Looks kind of yummy, actually.   Smiley

I've never seen this product in Japan.  Huh 


Do your freeze-dried turkey organs need to be from Oma's Pride?  I'm not positive but I think I may have seen some in Japan...but I might be wrong since turkey isn't a popular meat here...
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2010, 05:52:44 AM »

Shall I send you one? I was tempted to buy anyway, just to see what is that  Tongue

Turkey organs don't have to be from Oma's pride, just looking for freeze-dried poultry organs, (turkey, chicken, duck, whatever) other organs besides/in addition to liver. Poultry hearts are excellent source of taurine.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2010, 06:25:18 AM »

I'll look for freeze dried organs for you. Have you thought about using eggshells for calcium ? Easier to incorporate into home cooked or canned.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2010, 06:37:40 AM »

Thank you, that is one of my big worries, since only organ meat that I can find here is from China Sad

I have considered egg shells, the reason why that Animal essentials supplement looks attractive is that it contains other minerals and it is derived from natural source:
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Animal-Essentials-Natural-Calcium/148016.aspx

I do have a dislike for adding various powders to food, so maybe I should alternate, use this one once a week and just egg shells the rest of the time?
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2010, 06:43:40 AM »

I usually use eggshell, but do alternate occasionally with other calcium sources. The good thing about the 1 from seweed is as you said the other minerals. You wouldn't need to add kelp,dulse or sea salt. I know you have trouble with safe fresh meat, but I usually use fresh organs. If they are organic & local I use them raw, if from a store I use them cooked. I know they are available dry as well as blood, because NL as well as some other pfc's use them. I just don't know if you can buy them other than in bulk. I always feel the safest way to make sure they get a complete diet is rotation. Either of types of food or ingredients. Also you aren't left stranded when a particular food develops a problem.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2010, 07:28:44 AM »

Only organs not from China that I can find are livers, nothing else. There are chicken, duck etc. hearts, gizzards but all from China. Not a good idea, both from possible chemical contamination and bird flu point of view. So my best bet is finding freeze dried organs, Oma's pride has them but I can't find online retailer which ships overseas.

Btw, I would also have trouble finding a good reliable source of kelp & dulse, hence that supplement looks attractive. Meat, provided I feed cooked, should not be a problem, there is nice australian chicken&beef, new zealand venison & lamb, etc. I can even find kangaroo and ostrich. I just definitely do not want to feed meat from China, no way. from what I've seen & read in papers here, that is simply not safe.

Forgot to add - fully agree on rotation and diversity. A bit difficult with Sophie though due to her IBD.

I have just ound that it may be possible to find Applaws dry in HK, I'll look into it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2010, 07:48:26 AM »

Is this where you get the Oma's Pride, that only has duck?
From the website - (there's a number and an email link)

Hong Kong     Healthy by Nature (Freeze-Dried line )

http://www.omaspride.com/Retailers.htm

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2010, 07:49:51 AM »

alek0, can you get Bravo products there?  I use Bravo freeze-dried organic turkey hearts as a taurine supplement.  They are usually marketed as a dog treat, but I break them up for the cats.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2010, 07:56:23 AM »

I can't find Bravo products here Sad Any link which has international shipping would be most appreciated.

For Oma's pride, I tried that number but no one answers. I got duck from:
www.wisepet.com , they also have salmon but since I feed wet salmon food and salmon treats that is not particularly useful I guess.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2010, 10:37:06 AM »

Alek0, I started using Alnutrin with eggshell calcium for my homemade cat food supplements a few weeks ago and it seems to be going well.  My current recipe has chicken, chicken liver, boiled eggs, rice, & pumpkin & is cooked.  Marta reviewed amounts of everything for me to create a balanced recipe. 

That might work for you if it can be shipped there.  It looks like they don't ship to AU or NZ, but no other shipping restrictions are mentioned here on right side of page:

http://www.knowwhatyoufeed.com/shop_online.html
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