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Author Topic: "Natural Flavor" in pet food? What is it really?  (Read 9594 times)
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mainecoonpeg
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« on: November 16, 2009, 09:09:26 PM »

This has bothered me as I never really knew what it was.
I think I may have an answer.

Tonight I was listening to a radio show which is hosted by an M.D. Dr. Ronald Hoffman (drhoffman.com)who also practices alternative medicine and is big on nutrition and supplements.  I like this guy and have utilized some of his recommendations with great success.

Anyway, Natural Flavor is also known as MSG.
Apparently, it's just about everywhere and in pet food as well.

It has addictive properties as it stimulates the brain through the tongue receptors.

MSG is also known as Hydrolized Yeast
                        and Glutamic acid

There are possible links between MSG, Parkinson's Disease and ALS.

I'm thinking that with it's use in petfood we have a bit of an answer as to why some kitties are "addicted" to some foods.....via stimulation of the brain throught the tongue receptors.

http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/38
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 09:48:51 PM »

Not necessarily MSG but it can be anything. Natural only means that it has been extracted from a natural source as opposed to synthesized in the lab from scratch. It does not necessarily have to have anything to do with the actual food, for example natural flavor in chicken soup cans (for humans) can come from beef. It doesn't have to be MSG, but it can literally be anything as long as it is extracted from a natural source. I tend to avoid unspecified flavoring of any kind if possible.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 03:53:29 AM »

Did anyone read the NL sheet on "natural"?

http://www.natureslogic.com/pdf/HowNaturalisNatural.pdf

Here's a link to a discussion of a "pure natural palatant", swine liver:

http://itchmoforums.com/miscother-pet-discussions/pet-food-additives-palatabilityflavor-enhancers-t1059.0.html;msg13432#msg13432
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2009, 10:15:11 AM »

Oh my Lord!  Just read some links to the toxins in our pet food links.  These are an upsetting threads.  I think the whole problem is so far beyond me that I am glad I am old now.  For those of you who are younger, God bless you and help you for what you may be facing in the future.

I have been told I have a high IQ, but  I know this is all more than I can handle, or know how to fix,  of course it could be my brainpower has dimished with age.  Cheesy

I just don't know where to begin to be sure my cats are getting decent food.  I hate ALL the pet food companies.  What they are doing is simply evil, and that's the only word for it.

The whole world is already fubar, and getting worse.
I guess I should eat some breakfast, its 1:12 pm
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 11:02:24 AM »

OMG! Thank you ever so much BP for that link about How Natural is Natural. Read the list and looked at my bag of organic dog food and lo and behold, voila its in there. Upon reading this and getting sick to my stomach over it, thoughts that came to mind are that no matter how much one would try to avoid certain things they simply refuse to feed their pet, according to this pdf link, you can't. Have a small bag that I will be returning to the store of this organic food.

Appreciate the 'heads up' as it has just saved me from continuing to poison my dog with food that I felt was good and nutritious but, thanks to you, have found out the hidden dangers in it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 02:27:07 PM »

 This is just my opinion, but I see the How Natural is Natural article by Nature's Logic as purely a fear-mongering marketing piece.   
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 02:19:27 AM »

Glad that I found out the truth about ingredients  ever so much more careful about what goes into my dogs body. There has been enough pets that are sick and some have died probably from things that could have been prevented which start with the nutrition they receive. And a lot of the nutrition comes from pet food which no one should need to have to worry about and keep switching to another food because something is wrong or a company has a silent withdrawal. If 2007 taught pet owners anything then maybe more information on the true nature of where ingredients and vitamins actually come from will help them in chosing a food. Just not good enough not knowing where things are from for me anymnore. My last dog died from the cumulative effects of cwap in the food and my current love will not end up the same way.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2009, 12:08:23 PM »

Unfortunately, Mandycat, the fearmongers have a lot of material to work with today.  So much of what they are saying is true, that I am not even sure we should call them fearmongers any longer.  I realize it is very inconvenient for us to try and avoid the things they are saying are bad, but again, unfortunately, so much is true that I am not sure we can or should complain about being warned.

I lost 3 cats  because of the toxins in petfood, and so I speak from experience.  Better to listen to the "fearmongers" regardless of how inconvenient it is for us, and do the work required to find a safe petfood, than to let our pets suffer the consequences of our simply dismissing the facts and saying it is  fearmongering.   

I realize there is undoubtedly some inaccurate info floating around out there, and some alarmists writing about it. That cannot be denied.

However, after so many pets dying and others requiring years of medical treatment due to the greed and calous selfishness of so many pet food companies, the truth speaks for itself.  Better safe than sorry!

And don't think the human food supply is any better.  We are either an incredibly stupid species, or an incredibly evil species, (probably both) to poison our own food supply.  Sad but true.  The many innocents suffer from the sins of the few.  And it seems that the people responsible for protecting us all are either "clueless" and or impotent.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 01:10:08 PM »

This website was mentioned a couple of times in the previous threads about msg, "natural" flavorings, etc, but to bump it up again:
http://www.truthinlabeling.org
specifically the page-
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/nomsg.html
Very enlightening....
Msg is one of the things that can be included under the "natural flavor" umbrella. There are a lot of ingredients with msg that do not have to be listed as "msg" on the label.. Natural can actually mean anything. Substances like hydrolyzed protein contains msg formed from the processing. A migraine by any other name feels the same. I wish I had a dollar for every time I ended up ill from the stuff in the past. And now our poor pets are subject to this too..
Unless we make the pet food ourselves, we have to be extra careful when reading labels.....
Meowli.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2009, 06:34:03 PM »

I have to admit that I am also not particularly impressed by that info from Nature's Logic. Especially considering that their dry foods also contain "Natural flavoring", although in FAQ they say that they are in the process of removing it. I also have to admit that I don't find montmorillonite as a convincing ingredient (since inorganic sources of minerals are less bioavailable). I also don't find reasons for animal plasma convincing, it looks to me as yet another way to use slaughterhouse waste and then come up with excuses for doing so. I don't think it is any better  or worse compared to other so called high quality dry foods.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 09:04:04 AM »

Anyone have any ideas or input about the use of "Natural Flavor" on a pet food label? 

From what I understand, the exact composition of the ingredient(s) of the additive "Natural Flavor" does not need to be listed on the label as there is an existing regulatory option that allows pet food companies to keep this information as "proprietary".   

But from reading the Code of Federal Regulations:  21 CFR 501.22 - Animal foods; labeling of spices, flavorings, colorings, and chemical preservatives, it seems it could be nearly anything: 

"The term natural flavor or natural flavoring  means the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional."



Am I crazy or does say that seem to imply a very long list of possibilities?
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2010, 09:10:24 AM »

No JoyD your not crazy. I have questioned that in human foods too - what is it? If there is not an explanation after it stating what it is I have been leaving it on the shelf.

Also you mentioned a long list of possibilities - had also read that could include genetically modified things and if you ask companies they claim the info is proprietary. Is that another word for 'hiding' what they don't want you to know so you'll buy it since you have no clue to what 'it' is?
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2010, 09:11:36 AM »

You aren't crazy. The only way to know is to speak to someone at each pfc. Most won't know or if they do won't answer. 1 suggestion, go above CS, you need a nutritionist or an owner. 1 of the reasons I use Natures Logic is that the owner will email or phone you & answer all questions, right down to what farm an ingredient comes from. Wellpet & Natures Variety, Stella & Chewys & Bravo are all very open too. Eagle Pack allowed RCexplorer & DH to tour their plant. If you want to start trying to contact them to find out, we could each take a few & have a list on here. JJ is right though, its not just pet foods.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2010, 09:27:14 AM »

It seems it would be any hydrolyzed, extracted or enzymatic ingredient; meat, veggie or diary. 

Wouldn't that include any Digest, Fat, Meal, Gluten, Isolate or Extract?  These ingredients are made by either hydrolysis, rendering/extracting, fermentation or enzymolysis.

I've tried asking pet food companies, even people I've known for years.  They either don't know or aren't saying.  I'll try again today.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2010, 09:36:53 AM »

JoyD wishing you success in another try at getting answers. Will be nice to hear what you may find out.
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