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« on: May 27, 2009, 06:23:35 AM »

Please list brands you have confirmed to use Trouw premixes here.   Thanks.

ETA: Let's keep these 2 threads clean and just for "listing" brands and put any other discussions somewhere else.  I will be deleting or moving any posts that stray from this.

1.  Nutro
2.  Evanger's
3.  Wellness*
4.  Eagle Pack

*On both the using Trouw list and the refusing to name premix supplier list as different customers stated they have gotten different responses. 
See http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/nutro-recall-2009-cat-food-t8383.0.html;msg123599#msg123599
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2009, 06:43:27 AM »

Evangers as of May 2008:

If you read through the website in it's entirety, Trouw Nutrition is based in the Netherlands. They have head offices for countries in many locations. Many companies do business in China, and this one is not based there. Please do not take things out of context.

Respectfully,
Brenton Weaver
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Ok, I was able to run a couple of things by Joel.

First question about our vitamin/mineral premix. We use a company called Trouw Nutrition for our premixes. We give them a custom formula that we have come up with, with the help of our customers, and they manufacture it for us. We are not entirely sure if all of their vitamins and minerals come from within the US. Our formula is compliant with FDA organic standards, and we use it in our organic foods that have the premix. Their products for companion animals are produced at their facility in Highland, IL. Their website is http://www.trouw-nutritionusa.com/

I know that some people here will want to know why we do not investigate every possible aspect of our foods, but sometimes you have to trust your suppliers. We trust that they provide us with exactly what they say they are providing us with. It’s the same as if you go to the grocery store. When you buy a piece of meat, you trust that the meat has passed FDA inspections. Any number of meats and vegetables can contain many different types of bacteria, and you have to trust that what you are buying is safe. We have a relationship like that with our suppliers because we trust them. We buy only from people that we know. The Evanger’s line uses almost all fresh ingredients. Our vitamin and mineral mix is not fresh, of course, and our venison, lamb, and mackerel come in frozen, but almost everything else is fresh from the Chicago markets.

To address the questions about our retort venting.

Our retorts are what we cook our food in. They are large steam chambers that we use to cook our cans in. The venting schedule refers to how long we vent the chamber between batches. The cans are placed into the chamber, then the retort is vented and filled with steam, and then the steam and chamber are heated to 247 degrees, our cooking temperature. We were using the schedule that was provided to us by the FDA, and it was also the manufacturer’s suggested schedule. We had to make a building modification and replaced one section of the exhaust pipe with an elbow joint. It passed building inspection, and there were no problems. The FDA wanted us to re-affirm our venting schedule with them since there was a modification to the original design. We have already re-affirmed the schedule with them.

Joel and his plant manager have both been to retort training. One of the two of them is always near the retorts. The FDA wants all employees working near them to have training, just in case, and we are sending any personnel that we believe might benefit from the classes to the training.

I know that there are other questions, and I will try to answer as many of them as I can as I have time

Thanks,
Brenton Weaver
Evanger’s Pet Foods

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2009, 06:53:06 AM »

Wellness
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 07:31:20 AM »

Thanks.  I forgot to add.  Let's keep these 2 threads clean and just for "listing" brands and put any other discussions somewhere else.  I will be deleting or moving any posts that stray from this.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 07:34:16 AM »

Thanks.  I forgot to add.  Let's keep these 2 threads clean and just for "listing" brands and put any other discussions somewhere else.  I will be deleting or moving any posts that stray from this.

Actually I like the way you posted the brands list on the first message on the other one as the results come in.

That way people don't have to do a lot of scrolling. You can just mod the list and add . . .

List edited out by moderator as it was a list from the other thread so as not to confuse lists

Then discussion can go on below the main reference list (first post) as it is compiled.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 02:32:39 PM »

cross-posting

I just contacted Eagle Pack. They use Trouw Nutrition to get there premix from. They claim to test the premix and the finish products. A bit upsetting since I use there foods for my cat and dog and I always trusted them.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 03:30:05 PM »

cross-posting

I just contacted Eagle Pack. They use Trouw Nutrition to get there premix from. They claim to test the premix and the finish products. A bit upsetting since I use there foods for my cat and dog and I always trusted them.

    Speaking with John Marsman, yes their vitamins and minerals come from BASF and go to Trouw for mixing the premix. Also  ingredients and formulas have not changed and people formulating are the same ones who have done it since 1990 and before.

                                       kathy
ps from touring plant yes (see dog food experience thread) premix and finished products are tested

BASF as in?

BASF
http://www.basf.com/group/corporate/en/about-basf/solutions-for-global-challenges/health-nutrition

Don't like this BASF is in bed with Monsanto

I guess I have to face up and ask some real hard questions to myself regarding ethics.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 03:45:01 PM »

Here's the link.  Thanks Kathy!

http://itchmoforums.com/dog-food-experiences-by-brand/eagle-pack-dog-food-t1717.0.html;msg122905#msg122905

cross-posting

I just contacted Eagle Pack. They use Trouw Nutrition to get there premix from. They claim to test the premix and the finish products. A bit upsetting since I use there foods for my cat and dog and I always trusted them.

    Speaking with John Marsman, yes their vitamins and minerals come from BASF and go to Trouw for mixing the premix. Also  ingredients and formulas have not changed and people formulating are the same ones who have done it since 1990 and before.

                                       kathy
ps from touring plant yes (see dog food experience thread) premix and finished products are tested
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 04:43:43 PM »

(Sorry Moderators, for not keeping the thread clean)

In 2007:
NETHERLANDS-based Nutreco Holding N.V. purchased more than 60% of BASF's animal nutrition premix business in eight countries, making Nutreco the number-two player in the global premix industry.

BASF sold its animal feed blends, premix and base mix businesses in Poland, Italy, the U.S., the U.K., Mexico, Guatemala, China and Indonesia.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6970337/Nutreco-buys-BASF-premix-unit.html
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