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« Reply #195 on: August 15, 2010, 08:58:28 PM »

I have also been horrified when I learnt about denaturing. However, some comments on MSDS. While it is definitely a concern if a chemical is listed as a probable or
possible carcinogen, MSDS sheets often contain claims which are way over the top for the purpose of protection of the manufacturer in case of a most unlikely event.
Which can make MSDS reading a very scary experience for laymen. To give you an example, MSDS of sucrose (table sugar) contains statements:

"Inhalation: May be harmful if inhaled. May cause respiratory tract irritation. 
 Ingestion: May be harmful if swallowed. 
Skin: May be harmful if absorbed through skin. May cause skin irritation. 
Eyes: May cause eye irritation. 

Environmental precautions
Do not let product enter drains.

In case of skin contact
Wash off with soap and plenty of water.

If swallowed
Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Rinse mouth with water. "

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« Reply #196 on: August 15, 2010, 09:25:33 PM »

Well, sugar is a very concentrated extract, if it was being sprayed in the air constantly and a person had to stand there 8 hours a day inhaling it, there might be some cause for concern. Not good.  We were very aware of MSDS sheets at work, I worked in a manufacturing plant making transmissions for John Deere, etc.  They finally did away with trichlorethylene not because of concern for us workers but because the company they used to haul it away had to charge so much to get rid of it, due to EPA regulations.  And all these years our personnel person just told us, oh it will just make your hands a little dry, that's all.

Whatever you believe - believe this.  Anything from the toulene family can cause cancer.  It is extremely dangerous.  Way too many people have died from these chemicals at our plants and at other manufacturing plants.  It's pretty scary when you see men in white overalls digging up several feet of earth for several blocks surrounding a closed factory.  These chemicals are dangerous.
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« Reply #197 on: August 16, 2010, 12:47:52 AM »

I have no problem believing that toluene family of organic solvents (which is actually quite different chemical structure from trichloroethylene btw) is dangerous. I was just illustrating that even relatively harmless chemical compounds such as salt and sugar can have various peculiar statements in the MSDS. However, in those cases the compound is clearly identified as non-hazardous in spite of various caution statements listed. If MSDS identifies something as hazardous, toxic, or carcinogenic that is entirely different matter.
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« Reply #198 on: August 16, 2010, 02:09:56 AM »

I goofed up a little, what I meant to say was that all this stuff (except sugar lol) belongs to the hydrocarbon family, and it's all bad.  Toulene, perc, triclene, creosote, phenol, kerosene, etc. have no place in food and are all suspected/ known to cause cancer.  That some of this stuff is poured over food meant to feed pets should be fought against as hard as we can.

Either someone was eating too much candy when they made out that MSDS for sugar or they wanted to pull our leg Smiley
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« Reply #199 on: August 16, 2010, 03:04:01 AM »

I fully agree that most of those things used for denaturing have no place in food. I have been absolutely horrified when I found out about denaturing. I've established that foods I use were not using denatured meat, but due to recent problems I have to change food and now it is all over again, find what they want to eat & what they can eat, establish whether it is safe or not, look into home cooking again, sort out organ meat problem (not available here unless it is from China), etc.
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« Reply #200 on: August 16, 2010, 10:35:25 AM »

jane good point on things with 'lene' in it. One particular food that I asked what their 'lene' was was enough for me to not feed it to my baby, Foxy Lady. Now this company has ongoing recalls. Is it karma I ask myself, hmmmm

Remember the saying years back: "Better living thru chemicals"
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« Reply #201 on: August 19, 2010, 04:15:11 PM »

Couldn't get an answer from Only Natural Pet whether their freeze-dried contains denatured ingredients or not. They promptly replied when I asked first time that their products are not processed in high heat (hence I guess no denaturing of proteins by heat) but when I explained what I meant got no response Sad Now not sure whether to feed this or not. Fortunately Sophie loves the Honest kitchen which is human grade, lets just hope her No. 2s will stay OK on it.
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« Reply #202 on: August 20, 2010, 03:24:11 PM »

Update: ONP said they contacted the manufacturer and are waiting for reply. I'll post it as soon as I get it.
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« Reply #203 on: August 30, 2010, 07:04:33 PM »

I've emailed them again, and they finally confirmed that no denatured ingredients are used in their freeze-dried diets.
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