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« Reply #180 on: July 03, 2009, 04:31:51 AM »

I can't believe I didn't think of that before. Thanks Bug!

I have no problem with NV or any other company sending me a free coupon. Even if I don't personally use it, I know plenty of others who can't afford decent pet food and would love to get a free bag. You can always redeem the coupon and donate the bag to a shelter.
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« Reply #181 on: July 03, 2009, 04:36:51 AM »

I just looked at my latest coupon from Nature's Variety.  If you look toward the bottom of their email, you can opt out of receiving those emails.
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« Reply #182 on: July 14, 2009, 02:58:06 PM »

I just heard back from Blue Buffalo - they tell me that they do not use denatured meats in their products.

FWIW.

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« Reply #183 on: July 14, 2009, 08:53:49 PM »

Thank you mikken for taking the time to ask and to post the BB response!!!

I have many friends who swear by this food and I now can give them some good info.
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« Reply #184 on: July 21, 2009, 05:08:14 PM »

I still got no response from NV and I asked again.
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« Reply #185 on: September 06, 2009, 08:27:36 PM »

As I look at the rules for Pet Food in Oregon, if you want to label any meat product as Pet Food, the rules state you have to denature it. I think this is seated in an old Paradigm that they use Meat not fit for Human Consumption for Pet Food, so we don't want any chance for it to be mixed....

It appears one might need to go USDA Inspected to get around this?

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« Reply #186 on: September 07, 2009, 05:47:52 PM »

Pat your saying if its USDA inspected it can be put in pet food without being chemically treated (i.e. denatured) then? I don't quite get the whole 'treat the meat' line of doing things so it does not end up on the human dinner plate. If its not and going to be in pet food anyway, why is it chemically treated? Is the food processed in a place that does human and also pet food? Why put chemicals in if its going to be processed at a pet food facility? Who thought this up as a good thing to do anyway? Good for who and why?
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« Reply #187 on: September 07, 2009, 06:19:49 PM »

Pat your saying if its USDA inspected it can be put in pet food without being chemically treated (i.e. denatured) then? I don't quite get the whole 'treat the meat' line of doing things so it does not end up on the human dinner plate. If its not and going to be in pet food anyway, why is it chemically treated? Is the food processed in a place that does human and also pet food? Why put chemicals in if its going to be processed at a pet food facility? Who thought this up as a good thing to do anyway? Good for who and why?

Maybe in case it gets shipped to the wrong place?
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« Reply #188 on: September 07, 2009, 06:34:18 PM »

Nah bug don't think that's a reason. Just another chemical to add to an already overburdened pet with food that has been processed, etc. and loses nutrition in that respect too. Not everything needs to have a 'chemical' in it or on it.
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« Reply #189 on: September 07, 2009, 06:42:05 PM »

I'm just not sure why the FDA would purposely require that, though. Why would it make sense to add something like that to food without a real reason? It's not like the irradiation of human food which is "justified" by the reduction or elimination of certain pathogens.
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« Reply #190 on: September 07, 2009, 07:12:10 PM »

I think because in the past, some very wicked human food processors have used meat unfit for human consumption or meat meant for pets... so, the FDA had the brilliant idea to add chemicals to all food not meant for human consumption precisely so that such food becomes disgustingly inedible to humans.  As I said, they're a bunch of geniuses, how can we match them?  Tongue
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« Reply #191 on: September 07, 2009, 11:59:54 PM »

LOL, I never said I understood the rule. I suspect the thought process goes like this. It is not under USDA Inspection, so it can't be labeled for Human Use. Therefore, it is suspect and denaturing it makes it look different enough to where if someone had it in a Refrigerator for example, it would not be used in a Meatloaf by accident,

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« Reply #192 on: September 08, 2009, 10:36:10 AM »

Pat I get what your saying but if a food product that humans won't buy is then combined into pet food why does it have to be chemically treat in any way shape or form if its going directly to a pet food manufacturing facility? If no human food is processed there why would you need to debase/denature it to begin with? That part makes no sense whatsoever.
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« Reply #193 on: September 09, 2009, 09:03:58 AM »

Pat I get what your saying but if a food product that humans won't buy is then combined into pet food why does it have to be chemically treat in any way shape or form if its going directly to a pet food manufacturing facility? If no human food is processed there why would you need to debase/denature it to begin with? That part makes no sense whatsoever.

In my case, it would go to the retailer not mixed with anything else. It would simply be Meat, Bones or organs,

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« Reply #194 on: August 15, 2010, 08:43:43 PM »


In Canada, the chemical used to "denature" is Birkolene b. According to the Department of Agriculture, Animal Plant and Health, the composition of this chemical cannot be disclosed. In the U.S., a number of agents can be used including carbolic acid, fuel oil, kerosene and citronella.
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I did a google and found this for birkolene b.

http://boldraw.tumblr.com/post/334675809/birkolene-b-decharacterizing-agent

Anything that has "lene" as part of its name makes me nervous - toulene, trichlorethylene, etc.  As in cancer causing nervous.  Here is what the MSDS sheet says on this:

<<<After a search, I came across the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for Birkolene B which states that it’s a black carbon substance with a PEL limit of 3.5 mg/M3 (3.5 milligrams per cubic metre) and exceeding that exposure is classified as a IARC (International Agency for Research on Cancer) Class 2B - meaning “The agent (mixture) is possibly carcinogenic to humans”.  The document goes on to give it a “Slightly Hazardous” rating, and continues to state “avoid contamination of food, feed, waterway, or groundwater”.>>>

Jane - who is horrified while reading this thread
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