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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 09:06:10 PM »

Yuck, that is all I can say. Does this apply to all pet food manufactured in USA, all pet food manufactured by USA companies, or all pet food?
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 09:42:46 PM »

What is the point of Denaturing? I don't get it. So humans won't be able to eat it?

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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2009, 09:49:14 PM »

What is the point of Denaturing? I don't get it. So humans won't be able to eat it?




Short answer on that, Steve, is Yes.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2009, 01:26:24 AM »

Ugh, as if I wasn't disturbed enough by the mold showing up in food like that, now the denaturing thing really has me....something, curious, disgusted, etc. I'm also curious to know the standard to go by on "human grade ingredients".
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2009, 04:34:39 AM »

I believe that the Human Grade claim is like the Natural one,there are no regulations about it.Maybe someone else can find more about it,I'm off to work.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2009, 05:04:32 AM »

Human Grade:

http://cats.about.com/od/catfoodandnutrition/f/humaningred.htm

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"Although you will occasionally see "Human Grade" listed on pet food labels, the AAFCO does not recognize nor presently address this form of labeling. However, because of the current trend toward "natural," as well as "organic" (in both human and pet food), the AAFCO is currently working to define at least the former description. In the meantime, caveat emptor with those phrases. If you lean toward cat foods with ingredients described as human grade or natural, make sure you completely understand what is meant by the terms.

"In other words, "human grade" may mean one thing to one pet food manufacturer, and something entirely different to another. There are presently NO standards to define that phrase on pet food labels, so "caveat emptor" does indeed apply. Until the phrase is officially defined, I would neither attach nor take away any value to that kind of statement by a pet food manufacturer."
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2009, 06:06:46 AM »

More on Human Grade:

http://www.dolittler.com/2009/02/1/On-human-grade-foods-and-your-pets.html

http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=12031
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2009, 06:51:43 AM »

Poco - you are correct.

What NB is saying is that ALL the meat they use has passed as unfit for human consumption.

While "human grade" does not have an AAFCO definition, those companies that use meat "passed as fit for human consumption" are using a USDA definition, AAFCO be darned quite frankly.

I really don't care WHAT is in the top of that can - NO MORE NB for my furkids.  Period.

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2009, 08:18:52 AM »

I'm starting this new topic and will move the denaturing discussion from tuttibella's Natural Balance thread.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2009, 08:32:31 AM »

Okay I was saying . . .

This subject got me thinking long, hard, and deep last night. (Denatured. . . phenol, a potentially corrosive disinfectant. Creosote fuel oil, kerosene, crude carbolic acid, and citronella  are the approved denaturing materials.)

So I guess it all comes down to . . according to the "rule makers", it's okay to MARKET this stuff as "Human Grade. . Natural. . Holistic. . etc. ."  Even though it's not fit for human consumption.

Quite a "revelation" huh?

This should set the stage for an interesting investigation and research into "marketing methods and imagery" used to sell these products.


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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2009, 08:34:16 AM »

So just thinking, but if something is labeled "fit for human consumption" would mean it has NOT gone through the denaturing process, but "human grade" means it possibly could have?
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2009, 08:48:41 AM »

but "human grade" means it possibly could have?

That's what I'm thinking.  Those that make the rules and set the standards for Pet food probably wouldn't have a problem with that.  The pet food industry "gurus" are even pushing to have irradiation certified as "natural".

"I would encourage amendment of the AAFCO definition for natural to include irradiation for sake of clarity."

http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=24340
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2009, 09:09:45 AM »

From Susan Thixton at:

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/348/1/What-kind-of-Protein-is-Your-Pet-Eating/Page1.html

"One possible assurance to quality of meat protein ingredients is APHIS EU certification.  Animal Plant Health Inspection Services (APHIS) is a division of the USDA.  Some pet food manufacturers have certified their manufacturing facilities APHIS EU (European Union).  When a pet food is manufactured in the United States and exported to Europe for sale, the manufacturing plant must have APHIS EU certification (export requirements of pet foods into Europe are far more stringent than for US made and US sold pet foods).  This certification requires that all meat ingredients are USDA human grade, the pet food manufacturing plant is inspected and approved by the USDA, and ingredient suppliers are inspected and approved by the USDA.  Pet food manufacturers that sell dog food and cat food brands in Europe, that do NOT meet APHIS EU certification (which is many), have their own manufacturing facilities in Europe (versus exporting). "

Health certificate for canned food (not for the queasy)

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulations/vs/iregs/products/downloads/ee_pf_chap3a.pdf
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2009, 09:46:18 AM »

the mere act of cooking already denatures fresh foods, but not as bad as adding chemicals - amino acid chains get elongated, natural enzymes are lost, etc
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2009, 09:59:18 AM »

Wiki gives the example of an egg being denatured by the cooking process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturation_(biochemistry)


So, would a more appropriate title for this thread be:  Chemically or charcoal denatured ingredients in Pet Foods?
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