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ms_maiden
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« on: April 06, 2011, 09:10:56 AM »

 I dont know if it was proper to start a new topic, I am sorry if not proper forum etiquette.

The sore near Cali's  ear has definitely improved, it's drying up. She's not scratching nearly as much. I have to conclude it was most likely the Wellness Core that was the cause as she has been eating only the SD. Guess the neighborhood outdoor cats will be eating it for a while. My neighbor has a feeding station set up for them, Ill give her the bag.

I havent given up on the introduction of wet food but that will happen very slowly. In the meantime since Cali's happy on dry and we are still in the "getting-to-know-you" stage of our relationship I dont want to upset the diva  Grin

I am thinking of picking up a bag of EVO Turkey & Chicken Formula grain free or their Weight Management formula that claims to be grain free. I do think she will have to go on some weight management diet, she is a big girl and growing. I've already had a diabetic kitty in the past.

Or perhaps Natural Balance. Our local store doesnt carry the Natural Balance Alpha but they do have NB Limited Ingredients, Ultra and Indoor. Would the duck be better or perhaps salmon for itchiness?  As the Wellness has both chicken, turkey and salmon it's hard to know which one is the itch factor. The SD has "chicken" (I use that term loosely) and she doesnt seem to itch.

Im wondering however if it's best to stay away from the Evo, CA Nat. and Innova now that they were bought by P&G. I remember many years ago when Iams was a decent food but was bought out by P&G.

Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the NB foods? I may get a can of it as well. Is duck better for skin type allergies?
I think what confuses me most is that I've read that skin allergies are caused primarily by grains particularly corn. However that is exactly what is in the SD that doesnt make her itch.  See what I mean?  Huh

Oh and all your  advice about pate' type  can foods, you folks may be right on that. I hadnt thought of it. I had left over cans from Happy, he would only eat pate' (when he did eat that is)

Maybe Cali would prefer a more gravy type wet food. I picked up a few cans FF with gravy for future use  but I would prefer to give her something else. I see Wellness has pouches too.

Gosh this is just so overwhelming and I'm sorry if I'm asking too many questions.

 I hope you all know that I appreciate any advice, words of wisdom and that you even take the time to read this. Now go and give your beautiful kitties big hugs and kisses. I cant imagine a home without them


Diana


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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 09:27:54 AM »

Diana- I would avoid fish, especially salmon if Cali Has been ok on the SD with chicken. Try eliminating 1 thing at a time so you will know what was the allergen.
  My Sil used to use NB for her allergic dog with no problems, but stopped when they had trouble with fish bones. I have no recent experience with it.
 I stopped using all P&G foods, but I think there are some people still using them here with no problems. I would give it a week or 2 with the new dry before adding wet. You want to keep a diary of all foods & types given, that will help you find the problem. When you do try wet, try different textures.
 I seem to remember there being a report of a problem with Wellness pouches, I'll see if I can find it.
ETA- I couldn't find any mention of trouble with the Wellness pouches. If I find it somewhere else I'll let you know.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 11:48:44 AM »

Wow, is she ever cute! Her face is that of a Scottish fold (IMO) but maybe that's because she's pudgy.

Here's my take on the whole allergy thing. I have one cat that seemed to be allergic to bloody everything. She would pull her fur out and this past winter, she had no fur on any of her legs. It has all grown back since and it wasn't a behavioral issue, either.

I have her mostly on Innova Cat and Kitten dry, which is a grain-based food. Pip's problem was peas. Imagine my surprise when I tried NB Peas and Chicken and she started itching like I had never seen before. So much for that food. The one thing I really don't like about the NB diets is the lack of protein. I think it's something like 30% on the guaranteed ananlysis. Innova is 36%. Pip also cannot have fish -- same reaction -- if it in the food as a fish meal, as opposed to fresh fish. I can give her a little Go! and Orijen without her reacting but Innova has been the best food for her so far. I had tried the Cal Natural and she didn't do as well on it, though the protein level is as high as the Innova. My mom's allergic cat is on Cal Natural and she is doing great. No more breakouts.

So, while I don't like that P&G has taken over the company either, I have very little choice with my allergic girl and she will get what she tolerates the best. If you like, you can check out Red Moon food, which has also has a limited ingredient base for their custom food. The other food Pip did OK on was Merrick BG Chicken, but I trust them less than Natura/P&G at this point.

Eliminate fish first. Run that for two or three weeks to see how she does. If there's no change, eliminate something else from her diet. Keep doing it until you find one that works -- but just do one thing at a time so you know what it was you did right.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 12:42:25 PM »

Hi Diana,

I have been using a Natura product, California Natural Chicken and Brown Rice dry, for about three years.  (I have a fish-allergic cat, and this is one of the few dry foods that has no fish or fish oils in it.  I have learned to read labels closely!)  So far I have seen no changes in the product since P&G took over, and I'm hoping they don't plan to meddle with it!  This is not a grain-free food, but I've actually found that my cats do better with food that has rice in it (no corn, though; I have another cat who is allergic to corn.)

Actually, for cat allergies, fish and chicken are higher on the list of common allergens than grains.  If she is doing well on that SD with corn and chicken, I'd guess that fish may well be Cali's allergen.  (Welcome to the club. Undecided )  Evo products do have fish oils.  Some cats who are allergic to fish can tolerate the fish oils; others can't.  (My catboy can't handle either.)

I tried Natural Balance foods a few times, but they all seem to have a lot of peas or pea protein, and gave most of my cats loose stools.  That may not be your experience, though.

BTW Cali sure is a cutie-pie!  I love torties and calicos.  Thanks for the picture!
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 02:19:55 PM »

Wow this is all very interesting. Thank you all for the info.

Yes I would imagine fish is the culprit indeed since the SD Optimal care lists Chicken -by-product meal and corn meal as the first two ingredients (I shudder when I read that)

I will let her have the SD for awhile, just checked her ear again and it looks really good.

I think catbird that the CA Natural Chicken & Rice you mentioned sounds like it's worth a try. Im going to add that to my list of future choices. Also Im adding that Innova Cat & Kitten to that list too, thank you bug for that suggestion. There will be NO fish, I'm eliminating that right now. I dont ever want to experiment with that again.
 
 it's very telling how catbird and bug you both have kitties with issues with the NB pea stuff and kitties that cannot tolerate fish. And thank you lesliek for the advice about fish. And I cant believe there were fish bones in NB dog food, I'd never expect fish in a canine formula!! Maybe Im just stupid but it doesnt sound right to me. I am starting a small notebook to keep track of what she eats, I will not add the wet food yet.


And the way she loves dry food I dont think there will be any issue with her turning up her nose at ANY brand I offer her. This girl loves her kibble. She charms my husband into giving her a bit extra, when she sees him she wiggles her rear, makes a pitiful half mew sound and falls over on her side like she's so weak. He falls for her routine every time. Yes bug, she is pudgy  Grin (I do like the Scottish Folds too)

The ironic thing is that after 2 years with a frail kitty who didnt want to eat (I had to force feed him several times, I hope I never have to do it again) I told my hubby how wonderful it must be to have a fat cat that LOVES to eat and not constantly losing weight.

And here we are.....

Oh and is it true what they say about Calicos and Torties having tempers? She's our first Tortie and I do see a different personality. (She's also our first female cat, maybe that's the real difference  Grin)


Thank you again!!!!

Diana
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 03:11:48 PM »

Welcome, Diana!

I'm very sorry you lost your beautiful Happy kitty.

Cali is gorgeous! I'm sure you'll be able to work out the best diet for her. I've had a little calico in the past, and my Mom had two. They were all very sweet cats, but I did see, especially with mine, occasional displays of that 'tortitude'. Grin
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2011, 05:26:38 PM »

Regarding calicos:  I have five cats.  Three are various versions of torties and calicos, and one is an orange girl (even "worse" LOL.) All have strong personalities and "tortitude."  They are very different from other male and female cats I've had, although in general I've found female cats more bossy than neutered males.  Even my cat vet agrees that torties and calicos are different--I walk in with one and she sighs, then says, "Ah, yes, one of the torties..." Grin
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2011, 06:16:17 PM »

Just a quick note, ms_maiden, Innova does have some fish. It just isn't enough to cause any reaction in my cats. You might also like to know that California Natural has a new formulation that is grain-free: Chicken and Peas. It isn't available in my neck of the woods yet, but maybe you can get it.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2011, 07:53:41 PM »

Welcome Diana, so glad you started this topic. Anyone can start a topic and if it is not in the right thread, the moderators will move it for you.

Cali has such a sweet, expressive lil face - how can you keep from squeezin' the stuffins out of her?

Lots of good advice on different foods and how it affected their pets. May you find one in your search to replace the SD.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2011, 08:22:20 PM »

Thank you for that follow up bug

Oh yes, "tortitude", that is just the word for it! Our vet also smiled when we brought her in for her first visit. He knew immediately she wouldnt be as cooperative as Happy was.

Indeed catbird, Im discovering that this females is alot more bossy than the boys ever were, bossy is a good way to put it. My neighbor has 9 cats, three are neutered males and the females push them around. Oh and the queen happens to be the one tortie 

Thank you catwoods for your kind words about both Happy and Cali. Im sure she would love to hear you call her gorgeous  Grin
With each passing day she seems to show her true personality. She's starting to come out of her shell, so to speak  Wink

Yes JJ, I would love to keep her a good sqeeze but she certainly wont let me do that yet.

Thank you all for making me feel so welcome here
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2011, 09:47:05 PM »

Hi and welcome to the site..I love your beautiful kitty. I have lots of experence with allergies in pets and NB ...I feed NB kibble to my dog it is about the only kibble he can eat..he has 41 known allergies and Wellness even the lamb allergy one DID cause him issues. My kitten  who is a dilute calico ...my second calico but first dilute eats moist and dry...She doesn't have allergies that I know of...she can and does eat some dry which is the Salmon and Green pea..no issues...I also cook chicken for her and her dad BBQ's it...hold the sauce for her too.....The moist we feed I rotate a lot many different one's. She is almost a year old and never had diarrhea yet...whew......She too as my other calico  can be a real witch ..lol I love her to death but she has a tude....Move the foods over slowly. Also you may want to call and ask for samples some pet stores have them too...then you can try the food free and see if she has issues....they ought to show up in 2 weeks...So in a nutshell I have not had an issue with NB dog or cat ..and feed both homecooked...moist and Allergy formulas of NB as  a Kibble..Mewsette also gets Dad's and oddly cheap and all..she loves it and is never ill
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