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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2008, 08:36:20 PM » |
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Blood tests, blood pressure, urine all checked. As well as some specific liver test and xrays. $$$
He seems to hear ok. He comes when I call him. I wondered if maybe it was his eyes. I mentioned that to the vet but she shrugged it off.
He has a sister that he loves to chase.
I guess just bored?!?!
Glad your kitty's blood work and urine tests all came back normal. In your shoes, I would also think that this recent behavior may be out of boredom... maybe time to go shopping for some new kitty toys 
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2008, 10:52:31 PM » |
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I did a little reading to reaffirm what I recalled from some behavior books. The Character of Cats, by Stephen Budiansky (and some others I've read) state that if a cat is getting people up in the middle of the night, try having a play and exersize session right before bedtime. As for the five AM activity, he also indicates that cats in the wild tend to be "crepuscular" animals, most active at dawn and dusk, but that they do adapt to our schedules. Ours sometimes arise at that hour and frisk around, but go back to sleep until we wake.
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2008, 11:48:23 PM » |
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I did a little reading to reaffirm what I recalled from some behavior books. The Character of Cats, by Stephen Budiansky (and some others I've read) state that if a cat is getting people up in the middle of the night, try having a play and exersize session right before bedtime. As for the five AM activity, he also indicates that cats in the wild tend to be "crepuscular" animals, most active at dawn and dusk, but that they do adapt to our schedules. Ours sometimes arise at that hour and frisk around, but go back to sleep until we wake.
This is correct: cats in the natural are most active at dawn and dusk becuase that is their typical hunt time. Now and again, my two boys remember their feline heritage and get hyper at 5am or 6pm.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2008, 04:18:09 PM » |
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Thank you all for the replies.
I do play with him before bed- laser pointer, feather toy, etc. But as soon as I go to sleep he starts meowing again. Many a night I have sat on my bed at 3am with a feather toy, swinging it around!
He doesn't get as tired out by the toys as when he was a kitten. I assume this is natural with age, although he is only 4. (if that isn't normal, please let me know!)
I can't help but wonder if he was meant to be an outdoor cat.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 04:31:17 PM » |
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I believe that cats are in many ways like young children. If they know they can get you to pay attention to them in the middle of the night, they come to expect it as part of their routine.
It sounds like it may be your attention that he wants. He does not need to have your attention when you want to be sleeping. I would give the kitty a meal and a good play session before you go to bed, then ignore him after you go to bed. Is there a way that you can have him spend the night somewhere that his meowing and scratching won't disturb you? (Like shut him in another room?) As long as you know he is healthy, IMO the best bet is to avoid reinforcing the "midnight revels" by interacting with him when you want to be sleeping.
If you just plain ignore it for a few weeks, my bet is that it would stop. You are not depriving him, you are teaching him.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 04:39:42 PM » |
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I totally agree that he needs to learn to not be carrying on at all hours. If it's possible to put him in another room that might help (you might need earplugs, though). He is learning that he can get you to play with him to quiet him down. I would not put him outdoors. Outdoor cats live in a very dangerous world and you might well end up with disease, injury or even death. Better to spend some time training him now ~ maybe not fun in the short run, but better in the long run.
My boy, Jess, tends to attack one of my other cats during the night (usually the 4 - 6 am times) and I suspect that he sees other cats outside and that upsets him. This week I have started shutting him in his own room for the night. I feel bad to have to do that, but I will not have him attacking the others so we have some playtime, then when I go to bed, he gets a bit of wet food "treat" iin his room and that's it. He has done a bit of crying, but it's less each night. I wish he could be out with the others, but he can't. I'm guessing he will be so used to this within a few days that it will just be part of our routine.
You're not being mean, but as catbird said, you're teaching him. Good luck! catmom5
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2008, 05:06:52 PM » |
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I live in a studio so no other room to put him in, besides the bathroom. I do have earplugs, and generally do try and sleep thru the howling. It is when the two are chasing each other that I play with them in the middle of the night. If it is just him howling I put my head under the pillow (even with earplugs!). So, at this point I don't think it is him thinking "if I howl I know she will wake up". (but who knows!)
He doesn't just make the noise in the middle of the night. It is usually anytime between 8pm and bedtime he will random howl. Then, more consistently in the middle of the night.
I definitely will not put him outside!
Thanks to all for the the advice!
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 08:04:11 PM » |
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There was one time 2 yrs ago when my male DSH (neutered) did the howling thang to excess... we only just moved to a new place and so I knew it was part stress, part excitement, part whatever... nothing worked to shut him up... I "sin-binned" him in his carrier and stowed it away in the laundry room... I squirt him with water... I sprayed essence into the air... shook a pill bottle real loud to stratle him out of the howling... he only cried harder... and then! I discovered Rescue Remedy... whenever he showed signs that he was about go a-howling and a-meowing, I rubbed a drop of Rescue Remedy on each of his ears. He'd meow-meow a bit and then inevitable settle down to relax. I don't now if this will work on your kitty, Micky, but perhaps you could give one of those anti-stress calming products to your cat. Rescue Remedy is just one of these products... Feliway is another (plug-in, which will probably work very well for you)... there are homeopathic drops you can put in the cats' drinking water...
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 08:33:53 PM » |
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Mickey-can you put in a cat tree or some of those cat climbing shelves that go on the wall ? Or maybe hiding some kibble before bed so he can hunt for it. It does sound like he just wants to roam or hunt,they are nocturnal.Maybe you can supply substitude adventures that will let you get some sleep.
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 10:22:24 PM » |
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Mickey, if it makes you feel any better, Fizzy wakes us up howling almost every night, too. Usually she's announcing that she has brought us a midnight snack (stuffed mouse), but sometimes she's just "talking" to us. I used to call to her to try to quiet her, but then realized that I was probably reinforcing her actions. We've started closing the door at night but she sits outside hoping.....and howling. But usually not for more than a few minutes at a time. She has done this for as long as we've had her. It is a bit frustrating. I think the Rescue Remedy or something similar is worth a try. On the other hand, Scooby never crys or meows, just claws on the carpet outside the door  We can't win!
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2008, 10:17:34 PM » |
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I have tried one of the sprays. It didn't work. Luckily, we have a great pet store in Seattle that will let you return products if they aren't to your satisfaction.
It was a spray that had st. johns wort and lavender. Well, my cats don't like lavender. Maybe they are freaks in the cat world, but when I've had lavender hand lotion on they go to smell it and recoil, closing their eyes. So, the soothing spray containing lavender would not be soothing to them. (I will research other brands)
I am interested in the hiding food and hunting idea. I will look into it. I can't help but think he found his "voice" and is just talking. He's a bit of a rascal to begin with. I had moved, but the howling didn't start for 6 mos after.
Thank you for the suggestions!
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2008, 11:09:32 PM » |
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The idea of Rescue Remedy is interesting - Stan has been yowling from about 5:00 AM every morning for a couple weeks now. Butter doesn't react - he just sleeps away...
We've installed a Feliway diffuser, and it's been up and running for over a month now. Stan was quite distant, but now is really demanding of affection and attention. I wonder if it's related to the diffuser...
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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2008, 12:09:29 AM » |
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My kitty started the howling again. We went a little while with no need for earplugs.
Now, he is howling at various times. He stands by the front door, howls and scratches.
I now think it's because it's such a small place.
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2008, 11:43:53 PM » |
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Mickey - Does the cat yowl when you open the door?
I have recently read - and believe it - that closing a door makes them crazy, especially if they're indoor cats. With limited territory, they get resentful when they lose access to any of it.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2008, 09:56:36 AM » |
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Only thought I can come up with is has kitty had a T4 for thyroid test done? I remember when KiKi was hyper-T, she was meowing alot more, it actually made her a little more owly or aggressive or something...but I think you said labwork was all checked out...
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