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JessiesGirl
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2008, 05:30:03 PM »

Should have added:

I think it also makes sense for me to have a break stick.

Jessie is actually quite used to having my hands in her mouth. When she was a puppy, she was a bit of a thief.  Grin She'd grab things off coffee tables and such, and I, never knowing just what she had stolen, would grab her jaws, open them, and shake her head until her prize fell out of her mouth. (Yes, I am sure it looked as ridiculous as it sounds! )  Often it turned out to be earrings ( I had a bad habit of taking them off when I got home and leaving them too low when I first got her at 6 months) with which she could have hurt herself had she swallowed them. We still have a sterling hoop earring that is a mangled straight line from her early days.  Cheesy She is very concerned with nipping people, and lies down and looks totally mournful if she thinks she nipped you by mistake in a game. And we brush her teeth every day. So she gets the whole "hands in the mouth aren't going to hurt me" and "I better let go immediately". Although I do not recommend this at all, I once got her off a dog by putting my hands in her mouth in utter desperation because I knew when it clicked that my fingers were in there, she'd let go and I could get her off the other dog. I got a nice cut on one finger from that, because it took a second for her to figure out, "Oh Hell, That's My Person! " So again, do not recommend! Don't try that one at home, kids.

But what I am getting at is that I think I could get the break stick in there. And we could practice with it in calm situations. The odd thing with pits is that once they have a hold, they just hang on. They don't keep trying for new bites--they hold what they have already. So you actually do have a shot at getting something in their mouths, even if the positioning is tricky. Their head is only moving as much as the other dog is, because they are firmly attached to the other dog. I know it sounds odd, but that's what they do. And that is definitely Jessie's MO.
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2008, 10:26:15 AM »

I think those breaksticks are a great idea, JG.  I know what you mean about breed traits.  People get dogs because they like the look or it's the latest one on a favorite TV show, then they have no clue what they are in for.

I've always had setters or setter mixes - I love them but yes they do run off a LOT.  My irish & english setters both had a bad habit of leading other dogs off too.  Both were gone several days at a time occasionally when I lost them on woodland walks.  And my current 2 dogs are half coonhound - I use Gentle Leaders on them because on a collar, even a prong collar, they pull my shoulders out of the socket trying to track every scent out there.

Let us know what you get for Jessie & how it's working.  It's all valuable info!
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2008, 05:16:34 PM »

Jessiesgirl

Get a basket muzzle.

NO one may like my response, but here goes.

After years of owning dogs that do not get along with each other and will fight, especially the males, we have learned to keep ours apart at all times. Lots of work but that is the way it goes.

IMO, you have 2 choices, either get a muzzle or put the dog down.

You obviously CANNOT  control this dog. Ours are much bigger than a pit bull, but we can pull them apart, and my wife is small. I would not own a dog that I could not control, one that will not let go. You have done the training, and she is just the kind of dog that is dog aggressive.

So there is my 2 cents, take it for what it is worth.

good luck

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2008, 12:27:56 PM »

Dingbat, no offense taken. I think you are right! No one can completely control Jessie once other people are in the mix, or if she escapes confinement. My pet sitter and I do better with her than most because we keep her on-leash or in my house with no other animals, or off leash in a confined (fenced) area where I am at the gate and don't allow anyone else in. But there have been enough incidents when Jess is off-leash, in a variety of situations, to convince me all that you are giving very sound advice. We have never even come close to an incident on-leash, but she doesn't spend her entire life that way. And whenever she is off-leash, even, potentially, at home without other dogs, something could happen if she got out or had access to another dog. So I am in no way disagreeing with you.

And you're correct that the issue is not her size, it's her temperament and fight behavior.  It would be easier to disengage a larger but less tenacious dog, or one who didn't 'latch on'. 

Now I am trying to figure out the best basket muzzle. But a muzzle is coming!

Petslave, my mom breeds English, so that is what I grew up with. She won't consider selling a dog to anyone without a fenced yard, for exactly the phenomenon you are describing. Once in awhile, they just have to track a scent. Google Earth has been a big help to her, as she can call up potential buyers (if they meet her other criteria) to ensure they have a fence.  And I have driven to several potential owners' homes on her behalf because they lived closer to me than to her, to confirm that they did indeed have a fenced yard.

I don't mean to make it sound as though all pits or pit mixes have the 'Jessie issues'. They don't. But some do, and they do share a style of engagement with other dogs, when aggressive, that Jessie exhibits perfectly. And those are a combination of the pit heritage and some quirk of Jessie's.

And, petslave, you are also correct that many pet owners don't have any sense of the history of their breed when purchasing a dog. I tried, but with a mix, it was not easy. She looked sort of pointerish as a pup. How do insert a pic?? LOL

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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 12:51:10 PM »

Don't ask me about pix,everytime I try Menusux has to fix it for me ! Grin
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2008, 01:53:14 PM »

LOL! I couldn't figure the pic thing out. But I do think many would be surprised at what Jess looked like at 6 mos and what she looks like full-grown!
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2008, 08:38:33 PM »

Everyone uses flickr to post their pics here, but I'm still stuck in the old method of just attaching from my computerit during Reply.  Click the Additional Options line at lower left of reply box, click the Browse button & navigate to the pic & click on it.  Then Post. 

The pic has to be under 128kb for it to work.  I never have luck posting more than one or two at a time this way, but you're supposed to be able to post 4.
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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2008, 11:34:18 AM »

So they are inserting links, rather than uploading a file?  Shocked No wonder I couldn't figure it out!
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