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« on: July 14, 2008, 02:49:20 PM »

Hello Itchmo Members!

A friend of mine told me about Itchmo and said that he uses it quite frequently.  After having a gander, I can see why - this site is full of useful information!

I couldn't find an answer to my exact question, so i'll start off my first post with this:

I recently adopted 2 little grey tabbies from a SPCA in Annapolis, MD (about 3 months ago) - 1 of them was about 10 months old (Luna) and the other was nearly 2 years old (Mya).  While they look nearly identical, they are not related and were not kept in the same cage at the SPCA.  I was really only looking to get 1 kitty, but my aforementioned friend said that getting another 1 wasn't really that much more work over having a single cat and that it was a good thing in that they would have one another to play with while i'm gone.  Given that my schedule is erratic, I decided that route best.  So after meeting a few kittes at the SPCA, I really took a liking to both of the ones I have now.  Luna was swatting at me as I walked past her cage - she was so adorable and ready to play.  Wink  Mya was just a sweetheart....she was perfectly content with cradling her in my arms and petting her while she was laying on my lap.  Before taking that leap of faith in adopting 2 kitties that don't know one another, I figured it would best to see how they reacted to one another when introduced - the introduction at the SPCA, through the cage, showed no signs of hostility, much less a sign of deep interest...they were both very nonchalant about it, which gave me the impression that they would be okay in the same household. 

When I brought them home, I immediately opened their cages and let them come out, the youngest one (Luna) was very weary and liked to hide in the basement....while the older one (Mya) quickly assumed the role of alpha female.  She would actually sit on the bottom stair leading into the basement and keep Luna down there.  That only lasted about 24-36 hours, as Luna didn't take too kindly to that and started fighting her way up the stairs.  Since then, Luna has become the alpha female and Mya has resorted into a gradual state of hiding more and more.  They still play and wrestle a good bit - but I have this suspicion that Mya was not raised around other kitties, while Luna was.  Luna's very playful, or at least what I perceive to be playful, and Mya doesn't seem so interested in that....so what usually happens is Luna tries to play with Mya, which turns into Mya yelping and running away.  I get the impression that Luna plays a bit too rough for Mya's taste.  And I see why....Luna used to be smaller than Mya, now Luna is nearly 1.5 x in size of her...moreso on the weight side, but slightly bigger in physical appearance.  With Luna's added weight and physical size, Mya doesn't stand a chance....Luna whips her all over the place.  When they do play around (or fight?) I notice that they go for each other's throats...or rear ends, with their teeth.  That's usually when Luna gets the best of Mya and Mya lets out a big yelp...or starts hissing.  The yelp and hissing make me feel like it's no longer play....rather than an act of genuine aggression.

At this point, Luna roams the house like she owns the joint...and she's such a sweetheart.  In contrast, Mya likes to hide in my closet or under my bed - occassionally, I'll walk in my room and see Mya sleeping or lounging on top of my bed.  Rarely does she ever come out in the open and hang out like Luna does....even less of a chance if there's people over.  However, Mya's elusiveness has been a gradual process....as about 2 months ago, she wasn't so elusive - she would actually come down from upstairs and eat breakfast/dinner in the kitchen, where Luna eats.  now, not so much.  I've found that the only way I can get Mya to eat a full helping is to take the food up to her in my room, and at times...she won't eat unless I remain in the room with her and/or pet her.  I've tried placing a dish of food in the room and closing the door to let her have some privacy and time away from Luna, but when I check up on her in 30mins or so....the food hasn't been touched.  So I end up sitting down with her and coaxing her to eat.  She seems perfectly healthy...pee's and poop's on a regular basis and in the litter box.  her coat is one of the softest coats i've ever felt on a cat...and she's a complete sweetheart with me when Luna isn't around.  When Luna's around, it's inevitable that one or the other will start playing....which leads to Mya going into hiding.  I've taken both kitties to the Vet, in which they checked out perfectly healthy and around 8lbs each.  I'd say Luna is closer to 10-11lbs these days, and Mya may have lost some weight...she's awfully thin, which I contribute to her eating/social problems.

While I have lived with cats in the past, usually roommates, this is my first experience with adopting cats and caring for them.  I'm quite happy with them and certainly feel rewarded by their sweetness towards me.  I'm just not sure what to make of their behavior at the moment...especially Mya's.

Any ideas would be most certainly appreciated!  Thank you!

Jim P.
Baltimore, MD
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 03:19:01 PM »

Welcome to the forum, neopumpkin!

Cats moved into new situations or introduced to new cats will almost always have dominance issues to re-negotiate, and yours have experienced both.  In most cases they work things out with sounds, postures, and looks, but sometimes things escalate into the physical brawling, as you have described with yours.  For Mya's sake, IMO you should try some interventions, since she is in hiding all the time.

The 10-month-old is really still a kitten, so it could be that she is still trying to do kitten-type play with your older cat, who, as with most adult cats, is less interested in such things.  If that is the case, one suggestion might be to hold onto the scruff of Luna's neck (like a mother cat would) and tell her firmly "no" when she does something that appears to be hurtful to Mya.  Then remove her from the scene.  This was one of the techniques that helped us when our big immature male started trying to hurt our older females.

Another thought, if you haven't tried it, is to use Feliway, which has a calming effect on cats and helps with territorial issues in some cases, too.

Establishing a "safe spot" for Mya in the main living area, such as a high place, may help her feel more comfortable there.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 03:31:51 PM »

Jim, I don't have any advice to give you, but Welcome to Itchmo!
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 03:35:31 PM »

Welcome to Itchmo!

Like catbird said, what you are describing is not uncommon when introducing cats to each other and a household, so try not to be discouraged.  The situation may actually resolve itself when Luna gets a little bit older and mellows out.  I have a friend who brought a kitten into her house with her 13 year old cat and had the same troubles.  The older cat was just terrorized by the kitty and spent several months living in the closet.  As the kitten got older and less rambunctious the older cat began to come out more and more.  Also, I think she just needed time to get used to having the new kitty around.  However, if Luna is playing too rough or being aggressive don't be afraid to intervene as catbird describes.  Feliway and herbal calmatives might be an alternative if you don't see any improvement.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2008, 05:06:26 PM »

Welcome to Itchmo!

As others have posted, it takes time, sometimes a loooong time, for cats to adjust to a new place and a new cat. Cats that have been the single kitty in a household often have a more difficult time adjusting. Intervening and distracting them when fusses occur, and Feliway, are all good suggestions.

If you can have some play sessions with toys with the kitten daily to drain off some of that energy (it's been a long time but I remember that, whew), that might help too!
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 07:53:36 PM »

Jim, welcome to Itchmo!  It certainly sounds like there are some ruffled feathers going on.  I cant offer anything but I know you will receive lots of help from others who have "been there, done that".  Bless you for rescuing the 2 furbabies from the shelter. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 04:02:54 AM »

You might also want to consider feeding them separately to be sure Mya gets enough to eat.  If Mya starts avoiding the litterbox because of these confrontations, you also might want to consider an addtional litterbox in another location for easy access.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 01:40:46 PM »

Wow, thanks for the warm welcome folks!  These are all great ideas, some of which i've already begun practicing - such as feeding Luna and Mya in separate places.  I have a 3 level house and I keep a litterbox on the top level, in my bathroom and I also keep another litterbox in the bathroom in the basement - both of which appeared to get used on a daily basis.  I'm glad I heeded my friends advice on getting 2 litterboxes, thats for sure.  Wink 

I like the idea of bringing Mya into the common areas to help her become more socialized.  So for the past week, i've been making a point to bring Mya down into the open basement area (home office)...usually where Luna and I are hanging out, while closing the door to my room, where Mya loves to run up to and hide.  It seems that Mya is receptive to this, as once she figures out my bedroom door is closed and her hiding places are inaccessible, she tends to relax and hang out more.  a much more enjoyable sitatuion for all.  Wink

I'm curious about this Feliway stuff - do they make it for humans too?  Wink  I've been doing a much better job of intervening whenever Luna starts in on Mya - either a quick grab at Luna's scruff or a spray from a little water bottle breaks things up quickly.  I know that the 2 kitties will establish their dominance and this natural progression will take place, although I'm curious as to how far I should let it go before intervening.  Usually they're scuffles start out as grooming/licking one another, which sometimes result in them falling asleep side by side, or it could result in them going their separate ways, but occassionally it leads into biting one another, hissing and loud shrieks by Mya.  I suppose when things start getting rough would be the proper time to intervene, while still letting them play and establish their dominance - would that be a fair statement?

Well thanks again for all of the great insight folks!  This has certainly been helpful in my understanding of kitty behavior.  Wink

Jim P.
Baltimore, MD
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2008, 01:17:32 PM »

     Seems like things may be getting a little better for you.  I think it would be best to only intervene when things get rough.  If they sometimes groom each other and snuggle, you don't want to discourage that behaviour since it is what you are aiming to have happen more often.  I had a similar situation once, and I used a squirt gun when things got rough and I could see that the dominant cat was causing distress to the other cat.  Eventually they got the point and they became real pals to the point that the younger cat who at one time wanted to dominate actually deferred to the older cat!  Good luck!   Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2008, 02:19:29 PM »

you can also add rescue remedy to their water. I add it to my cats water when we've had a storm or fireworks because they tend to fight from the noise stress.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2008, 09:31:24 PM »

Jim- I 've had good results with the rescue remedy in the water with the 2 cats fighting, Troopers fear of storms & fireworks,& my mil[altzheimers patient].
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