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« on: July 24, 2008, 06:35:53 PM »

Tough thing will be the protests from powerful people with ocean views and concerns about bird migration.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/wind-power-industry-looks-longingly-offshore/story.aspx?guid=%7B18129F84%2D48E7%2D41E8%2DAFF4%2D8F82BAD1169F%7D
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Wind-power industry looks longingly offshore
Government finally unveils rules to authorize windmills along the coasts
By Stephanie I. Cohen
Last update: 6:05 p.m. EDT July 24, 2008
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Offshore is the new place for energy producers to be. But before drill bits start whirling and windmills start turning, Washington has to decide which energy projects are ripe for the water.
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 10:47:51 PM »

I would take a windmill offshore over an oil rig.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2008, 06:27:25 PM »

Most who hear about the +'s of wind farms do not realize that they are NOT environment friendly. Here are some links to another forum that I read:

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=117234&highlight=Wind+Power
Quote from: Alan Seaton;1229898
The birds don't even see them coming.

With a swept area bigger than a premiership football field and blades 50 m long with blade tip speeds of about 175mph passing at one every 2/3 to 1.3 seconds there's no chance. It's like expecting a bird to get out of the way of an aircraft. They stretch upwards to over 400 feet above the ground and the turbines are spaced about one every 500m. A line of mincing machines.

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http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=27198

The above thread mentions a thread about genetic modification, so thought I'd provide that link here too because I know it is of interest to others who post here at Itchmo:
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=27191&highlight=genetic+modification
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2008, 06:49:48 PM »

I never did understand why the turbine blades aren't placed in a housing like a fan in the home to protect birds.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2008, 06:50:27 PM »

Honestly, I believe solar is the way to go--put on the panels and connect to the grid.  In Florida it's a no=brainer, except for the possible wind-damage from storms and the fact that it is politically discouraged by the dashing Charlie Crist.  But that would just have to be dealt with, IMO.  If the sun can fuel the whole solar system, it's good enough for me.  I also realize toxic chemicals and energy are used to produce solar cells, but there is always some tradeoff.

The birding site links to many interesting energy sites; I've saved a few.  Thanks, MarySmith.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2008, 06:53:42 PM »

Most who hear about the +'s of wind farms do not realize that they are NOT environment friendly. Here are some links to another forum that I read:


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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2008, 07:18:16 PM »

I know, JustMe, that is why I posted the links - the wind machines are just too big to enclose - the weight would be too much for the bases to handle. BTW that forum is a very good one if you like to learn about birds. The mods are very good too, unlike some other forum whose link I posted here (cough, cough)
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2008, 10:13:32 PM »

I believe if solar panels are looked at, we'll see there are drawbacks to that technology. And I say that having studied them and
purchased some.

With solar, clouds are a problem. Any shadows on the panels is a problem. Think trees. When it is stormy, the wind power works, and the solar power does not. If there are several days of rain and clouds, then the battery banks for solar only become depleted unless there is an alternative charging source like wind power, or water turbine power from a stream.

Solar panels age and loose their ability to generate a percentage of their power over time. Any damage to a solar panel can cripple the entire series of panels that are connected. And that just scratches the surface of issues.

I like solar and wind. But we still need gas for vehicles until we can transition. We can't simply shut off gas and tell people to go fish for alternate energy for transportation or tell them they will see something new any time now and it will instantly be implementable. That won't happen. I recall back probably in the 1990s I heard there was some guy who perfected a magnetically based perpetual energy unit. I even recall there was a company he was going to start. I had a VCR tape on it. He sounded quite convincing. And there was news later that certain people connected to the Feds and some companies threatened his life and that of his family if he attempted to produce this product. And I recall a discussion that they were going to place the plans in public domain and make them available globally. The problem with all this aside from whether it was even possible was that such a energy producing box technology that could be put in a car and put in a home and could run those totally independently for thirty years at a low cost would cause serious economic damage to existing industries.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 03:17:53 AM »

I think that is a really flat excuse the government levels to perpetuate a harmful policy.  We have to be ready to change and innovate, evolve.  We can't keep destroying the planet to support the existing industries.  And I am sure they will find a way to be a part of any new developments.  And I would say that the current system is also financially impacting the greater population negatively although we have less clout. Wars are fought, pollution is pandemic...health concerns...rising costs..accidents.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/22/solarpower.windpower


This is an interesting article I believe I saved about how a giant solar farm is going to be built in the Northern African desert, connected to a grid and distributed through Europe.  I'm not sure how the Africans will benefit--as usual. 

We have such blinding sunlight here in Florida, it is often hard to open our eyes outside without sunglasses.  In the summer, we have afternoon rains.  But the mornings are intensely bright, all the way till 5pm if the rains do not come in.  I know much of the Midwest is bright during the summer as well.  Even the snow albedo is blinding in winter there, when the snows come.  In the winter, in Florida, we probably have more hours of sun as there is less cloud cover.  Here, there is not the same area available as in Africa, although we are planning an experimental solar plant, I believe 250 megawatts?  Most likely, the best application with known technology would be private homeowners and building owners.
 
Also, I was thinking about using the American deserts, or anywhere, as the Africans are planning.  Perhaps Texas and Mexico, although in cooperation with the Mexican needs.  Then connecting into the regional grid.  With more research, I'm sure there are many advances to be made.  Germany is way ahead of us and China will probably do the mass manufacture. Once again, we will miss the bus.
   
Many Southern Californian new build neighborhoods are built with solar panels connected to the grid. They send/sell energy in when the supply surpasses their needs and take from the companies when their supply is short.  Even passive heating of water or space would help reduce CO2 emissions.  I would like to see building codes enacted, and have written to my state government with no reply; but I keep trying.  We have a lot of news about 2 controversial, proposed nuclear power plants, so there is attention being brought to alternatives to them in the paper regularly. 

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 11:00:07 PM »

This is a very promising idea, IMO.  Imagine what we could do...if we refocused our resources and mental energy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/22/solarpower.windpower

Speaking today at the Euroscience Open Forum in Barcelona, Arnulf Jaeger-Walden of the European commission's Institute for Energy, said it would require the capture of just 0.3% of the light falling on the Sahara and Middle Eastern deserts to provide all of Europe's energy needs.


Jaeger-Walden also believes that scaling up solar PV by having large solar farms could help bring its cost down for consumers. "The biggest PV system at the moment is installed in Leipzig and the price of the installation is €3.25 per watt. If we could realise that in the Mediterranean, for example in southern Italy, this would correspond to electricity prices in the range of 15 cents per KWh, something below what the average consumer is paying."


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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 01:52:23 AM »

Another choice for energy production off coasts would be the tidal and wave energy methods.
Like:
http://www.darvill.clara.net/altenerg/wave.htm
http://www.darvill.clara.net/altenerg/tidal.htm
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