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« on: November 15, 2007, 12:25:08 PM »

OK, JustMe, I can take a hint.  First we will start with some definitions.  This is for humans, not pets.  Cats absolutely cannot be vegetarians as far as I know.  I have heard of vegetarian dogs.

Vegetarians are people who do not eat animal flesh.  Some may eat either eggs or dairy products, or both.  I am one of those, but need to be careful to eat only minimal amounts of dairy or eggs for other reasons.  The general definition is summed up in the statement, "I don't eat anything that has ever had a face."  Some vegetarians, myself included, occasionally eat fish.  (I have just never been able to give it up completely and have not found other good sources of Omega fatty acids that work for me.)

Vegans are people who do not use any animal-based products, eliminating eggs, dairy, even honey sometimes. There are hidden "animal costs" in many foods--gelatin, for example, found in everything from ice cream to some yogurts to processed foods, is made from animals.  Refined sugar is also avoided by vegans because of bone meal used in the refining process.

I have been a vegetarian for over 10 years.  I do not cook meat at home for others, either.  My older daughter was glad to accept this when she lived at home, my husband and younger daughter have come around.  They will still eat meat when they go elsewhere, but both have remarked that they really feel better when they don't.  (This from a man who was raised on meat and potatoes at every meal.)

I can provide info on making the switch, recipes, sources, etc. depending upon interest.  I am sure others can too.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 12:55:39 PM »

Thanks catbird.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2007, 01:03:02 PM »

Next year it will be 20 years that I have been a vegetarian.  No meat or fish for me. I used to say "nothing with eyes except potatoes!" I eat dairy products and some eggs, but I'm not a big fan of eggs.  A vegetarian that eats dairy and eggs is called a lacto-ovo vegetarian. (or if you ate just dairy, no eggs you would be a lacto vegetarian.)  I also stay away from gelatin, I don't wear leather or fur and I try not to use any products that contain animal ingredients or do animal testing of course.  I guess you can create your own version of vegetarianism that works for you.  My husband eats meat if we go out, but no meat is cooked in our house.  I was vegan for about 6 months at one point but it just didn't work for me.  I would like to try it again at some point though.

I should be more specific, I am a vegetarian but my cats are not.  I do buy meaty cat food for them.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 01:28:43 PM »

When I decided that I no longer wanted to eat meat, I adjusted my family gradually.  First, it helps if you can get others in the mindset that the meat you are using is a condiment, not the main focus of the meal.  For example, if you are making a pot of spaghetti with sauce, make the sauce without meat and cook up a little sausage or whatever on the side for those who insist on meat at that point.  Also, make a commitment to one meat-free meal per week, and experiment with recipes.  You could then increase to two, three, finally meat is served only on special occasions.  Then you can just stop it altogether.

Protein is always the big question raised by non-vegetarians.  "How do you get enough protein?"  People who were raised eating meat have IMO been brainwashed into believing that they need far more protein in their diets than they really do.

For beginners who want to try meatless meals, I recommend the cookbook Vegetarian 5-Ingredient Gourmet by Nava Atlas.
http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-5-Ingredient-Gourmet-Nava-Atlas/dp/076790690X/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3_rsrsrs0

(You don't need to buy it from Amazon, but it was easy to grab the link from there.)  This book has many very yummy, very easy recipes to experiment with.  Some are vegan also.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 06:43:06 PM »

Here's what I made for an easy dinner tonight.  (Sorry I can't post mouth-watering pictures like straybaby, but uploading them would take all night on dial-up.)

Tex-Mex Stuffed Baked Potatoes

Bake potatoes according to your favorite method.
 
Saute 1/2 of a red bell pepper (preferably organic), chopped, until slightly tender.  Add a bit of chopped garlic and cook 30 sec. longer.   Add 1 can black beans (preferably organic), rinsed and drained, and 1-2 cups cooked whole-kernel corn.  Heat through.

Split open the potatoes and top with the above mixture, then top again with your favorite tomato salsa.

With a green salad on the side, this is a complete meal.  I used organic locally grown baby greens mix, the last tomatoes that I picked from my garden before frost and ripened indoors, a bit of chopped organic carrot (they have so much more flavor), and homemade whole-grain croutons I prepared from a stale slice or two of bread.

Many people are concerned that if you don't eat red meat, you don't get iron.  Not a problem.  Green veggies provide plenty of iron if you choose them right.  My salad used baby greens which are higher in iron than typical salad greens like iceberg or romaine lettuce, which have little iron.  The darker the greens, the more iron and other good things.

The topping mixture made enough to top 3 big baked potatoes, plus enough tasty leftovers to fill a tortilla or two for lunch tomorrow.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2007, 08:42:39 PM »

Wow, menu ideas already.  Thank you, catbird and kittylyda.

I think I'm already starting in this direction.  Already prepare meatless meals at least 3 times a week.  I do make my sauce without meat, making a separate pot of sauce with meatballs when I do use meat.   I make a conscious effort to choose products not tested on animals.  Found dog shampoo that says "tested on humans".  I like the idea of creating your own version of vegetarianism.  Can't see myself giving up dairy and eggs.  Don't wear fur, but do wear leather.  Biggest challenge would be getting the family off meat.  It sure must be difficult to find products without animal ingredients.  Never liked meat even as a child.

Do you use a lot of beans?  I like beans.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2007, 11:41:32 PM »

Hmmm.  am very very interested in this thread... keep the recipes coming, please!

I am not a vegetarian, but I have often thought that maybe I should be. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2007, 11:49:37 PM »

I love vegetarian meals, too.  When I lived in the South, you could get restaurant combo meals with your choice of 3-4 delicious southern specialties and put together a balanced meal of okra, red beans or black-eyed peas, greens, yellow squash, etc.  Yummy!

Last night I made one of my vegetarian, (vegan if you don't add cheese), easy meals.  Organic beans in pasta sauce over artichoke pasta. (Organic...get it all on sale and stock up.)  Then some mixed steamed veggies on the side.  (Some organic)  For dessert we had the leftover organic canned pumpkin that Poco had.  I added organic blackstrap molasses and spices.  Not bad for a vegan pudding.

Last night I used canned beans, but have been getting back to using soaked dried beans.  (Inspired by an Itchmo post.)  Took awhile, but I am remembering to get my beans soaking the night before.  Tonight I have organic black-eyed peas soaking.  One of my favorites cooked with garlic and bay leaves.  I leave the onions and salt out of the main batch so I can share with Poco.  He LOVES beans and a holistic vet said a small amount are good for him.  Most are very high in antioxidants.  It's easy to cook beans like this.  You just have to be around the house for an hour during the cooking period.  I make enough to freeze some, or have later in week.  (And always save some for Poco.)

There is a great co-op about 60 miles from here in Port Townsend that we discovered on an outing.  Even though it was late, I stocked up on staples.  Their organic bean and pea supply is astounding.  And the local vegetables were to die for.  They had not just organic white cauliflower, but bright pink/purple, orange and a green variety.  My husband had to chase me out of the store!

No food photos, but here are a couple from what evolved into a vegetarian meal shopping trip.

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 06:26:15 AM »

Good thread! I'm not a vegetarian nor do I plan to become one, but I do think North Americans eat way more meat than we need. Meatless meals are a great way for even non-vegetarians to diversify our diets. Thanks!  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 08:59:42 AM »

Wow, menu ideas already.  Thank you, catbird and kittylyda.

I think I'm already starting in this direction.  Already prepare meatless meals at least 3 times a week.  I do make my sauce without meat, making a separate pot of sauce with meatballs when I do use meat.   I make a conscious effort to choose products not tested on animals.  Found dog shampoo that says "tested on humans".  I like the idea of creating your own version of vegetarianism.  Can't see myself giving up dairy and eggs.  Don't wear fur, but do wear leather.  Biggest challenge would be getting the family off meat.  It sure must be difficult to find products without animal ingredients.  Never liked meat even as a child.

Do you use a lot of beans?  I like beans.

I LOVE beans!  I do use a lot of beans in my cooking.  One of my favorite things to make when the weather turns cold is veggie 4 bean chili!  It's very good, but watch out afterwards with all those beans!  It will be tough to post a recipe since I made this up and I do it all by taste but I will give it a shot.  The great thing about this is you can cook it all in one large pot--easy clean up!

In a large pot, saute 1 medium to large onion chopped, 1-2 cloves fresh garlic, and the equivilant of about 1 & 1/2 bell peppers in oil.  I like to use a combination of green, yellow, red.  If you like really spicy food you can try a small jalapeno or something as well. When the onions become soft add 1 or 2 large carrots cut into rounds.  When they become a little soft 1-2 cups sliced mushrooms.  You can also add other veggies at this time like zucchini, corn, whatever you want. (I like corn a lot in the chili, at least 1 cup of organic frozen corn kernals).

When all the veggies are sauteed it's time for your beans.  I use canned organic beans, but you could pre-soak the dried kind and have them all ready to go if you prefer.  I use at least 1 cup of alll of the following:
Kidney, pinto, black, garbanzo  and I add more of the beans that I like best to taste.  I'm a big fan of the garbanzo.  Let the beans cook a bit and soften up, stir often.  Then add 2  15 oz cans of stewed tomatos and 2  15 oz cans of tomato sauce.  You can use more or less tomatos or sauce to make it soupy or thicker, depending on how many beans and veggies you added.  You can always have a can of tomato paste on hand to thicken it up or more sauce to thin it out.

Now it's time to added your spices and this is totally to your taste.  Chili powder of course.  Just added it until it tastes good to you.  I also use some cumin and ground cayenne pepper.  Go easy on the cayenne, it will make it very hot very quickly! I throw in some tabasco as well.  It's great if you like spicy food.  You can add some of the spices to the veggies as they saute too if you like. Then simmer on low to medium heat for oh, 40 minutes or so.  When it tastes good, it's done.  I like to keep extra chopped raw onions out and I throw them in at various points in the cooking process.

Serve hot w/optional toppings: raw onions, sliced black olives, shredded cheese or sour cream if you are not vegan.  Also great to serve with corn bread, rice or blue corn chips.

If anyone makes this I hope it turns out--like I said since I do it all by taste it was difficult to come up with exact amounts of ingredients.  It's never the same chili twice for me, I experiment a lot.

~kittylyda

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 09:18:07 AM »

Hey, kittylyda, your veggie chili recipe sounds almost exactly the same as mine, except I use diced canned tomatoes instead of stewed!  I use the same guess-toss-and taste method, too.  And instead of the cayenne, I use a secret ingredient:  BBQ sauce, about 1/4 to 1/2 c.  You can make your own or use a favorite brand if you are comfortable with the ingredients in it.  (I use a kind made by a small shop in my neighborhood; it has no meat ingredients, uses molasses instead of sugar, and tastes amazing.)
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2007, 01:53:51 PM »

catbird,
Thanks for the tip on the BBQ sauce.  I may have tried that in the past but I don't remember!  "Guess & Toss" is a great way to put it.  I love that method of cooking--I use it almost exclusively! 

Maybe we can start posting some veggie Thanksgiving options for our Itchmo friends.  I tried the "Tofurkey" one year and was not crazy about it for the $25 or whatever you pay for it at Whole Foods!
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2007, 02:05:26 PM »

are you guys using organic canned tomatoes? if not, you may be eating GMO tomatoes . . . 

catbird, your potato recipe sounds good! i'm going to have to try it. although i may add some meat to it Wink that would be pastured grass fed beef from small upstate ranch, of course!
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2007, 02:18:32 PM »

Great idea, kittylyda!  Tofurkey was a thumbs-down at our house, too.  I'll look up a few of my favorites for fall/winter holidays.  I have one for a fall vegetable lasagne with gruyere cheese and bechamel sauce instead of tomato sauce that is so good it almost makes you cry.  Takes a whole day to make, but is worth it for special occasions.  No one at our house ever cared much about the turkey anyway (except one cat).

straybaby, I always use organic canned tomato products.  They taste so much better, and don't cost a lot more.  I buy them by the case so I always have some for those quick "inspirations".
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2007, 02:25:53 PM »

I've been using organic tomatoes, too.  If it wasn't for this site, I wouldn't even have known about them.   Embarrassed
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