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« Reply #735 on: July 22, 2008, 05:31:36 PM »

http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20080721-CSIRO-scientist-campaign.html

Dr Higgins, whose promotion of GM foods is strongly supported by Australia’s Chief Scientist Jim Peacock and Victoria’s Chief Scientist Gus Nossal, is CSIRO’s co-inventor of the GM Field Pea, abandoned because toxicologists found it caused immune problems and lung damage in mice.

Does this finding contradict Dr Higgins' assurances to chefs that "independently reviewed tests have not found any connection between health problems and GM"?

No, according to Dr Higgins. In a letter to Crikey, he wrote:

My GM pea research emphasises the effectiveness of case-by-case evaluation of GM plants and the important role science can play in decision-making around the introduction of GM crops. The research does not imply that all GM plants are inherently bad. Food Standards Australia New Zealand undertakes comprehensive evaluation of GM foods to ensure they are safe for human consumption.

But these claims are "simply wrong" says nutritional biochemist and epidemiologist Dr Judy Carman, whom the West Australian government commissioned to undertake independent studies into the safety of GM foods.

Carman told Crikey: "TJ Higgins' GM pea provides a clear example of the failings of our current GM food regulatory regime. The pea failed miserably on all the [independent health] tests conducted.” And despite Higgins' claims, “these tests are not required by our food regulator".

Her assertions are backed by health advocate Dr Kate Clinch-Jones, a director of the Institute for Health and Environment Research, who is concerned that preliminary independent studies, which suggest allergic responses, organ damage and precancerous growth in mice fed GM foods, have not been followed up.

And Crikey has confirmed that contrary to what might be implied in Higgins' letter, FSANZ did not request any of the independent testing that found health hazards in Higgins' GM Pea, which was initially meant for livestock consumption. Nor do FSANZ and the US Food and Drug Administration require such testing for any GM food for human consumption.

Dr Higgins is also accused of making innacurate claims on two other fronts. First, his claim to chefs that:

It is untrue to say that GM food has not been tested for human safety. It has, and very widely. These independently reviewed tests have not found any connection between health problems and GM.

This is disputed by toxicologist Dr Aprad Pusztai, who co-authored a study on Higgins' GM Pea.

"There is only one partial clinical study with one GM crop (RR soybean) done in Newcastle and published in 2004," says Pusztai.

This study apparently produced worrying evidence that GM material might survive in the human gut -- a finding which, says Pusztai, is "hardly a resounding confirmation of Dr Higgins' claim. No other human study has been published."

Higgins, as a plant industry scientist, is not qualified to make the claims in his letter campaign to chefs, says Dr Pusztai.

"He has no background or track record in nutritional research and thus he should refrain from making comments on the safety or otherwise of any GM product."

Another scientist, Dr Maartan Stapper, disputes a third claim made by Dr Higgins in his Crikey letter. Higgins wrote that "No-one has been sacked from CSIRO for speaking out on GM."

Stapper, who worked at CSIRO for 23 years, said he spoke out about inadequate testing of GM foods, but met with stonewalling from CSIRO.

He said the organisation "doesn’t allow internal questioning of GM, no scientific discussion, and as a farming systems agronomist I was told not to talk to farmers and in public against GM, with the threat of being fired." While CSIRO continues to support pro-GM public campaigning, Stapper was fired last year, allegedly for speaking out about the hazards of GM food crops.
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« Reply #736 on: July 22, 2008, 06:34:37 PM »

This is just terrible, but it seems that big money always wins out Huh
So, what can We do?
Good article, thanks.
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« Reply #737 on: July 22, 2008, 09:10:25 PM »

Bad news, though not surprising.  It fits with the Chinese research on mice I read about.  The bad part is that the industry is so persistent and powerful.
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« Reply #738 on: July 23, 2008, 05:02:53 AM »

I was up half the night thinking about this stuff and our health. The pet food poisening did let us know about a lot of things We have found out since then.
It seems i'm always sick, one way or the other. I was brought up in Maine and We ate the usual-Meat, potatos, and vegs. You know good hardy stuff. stews, chowers, etc.
Now, I don't want to eat meat.
then I hear so many people have glutten problems, i'm not even sure what all that is but i'll be looking it up. now, this thing with lectins. that has Me worried. It says things like milk, potatos, etc. everything i love.
I'm am on too many meds, I think. One for ulcers, one for depression, one for nerves, I want to be off all of them. I take lots of vitamins.
I wouldn't be sayng all this, but I just want to feel healthy. The Drs. don't help, just give Me another pill.
We live where are no natural health drs. and no homopathy drs. But i'm going to find one somewhere. What kind should I be looking for? I want someone who knows about all this crap.
I really need everyones' help on this. I don't know what to eat, and now i have anarexia, not because I want to.
I eat a lot of bread, milk, potatos, and I love sweet things, which i am trying to stay away from. I do drink coffee and sugar.
I just want to fell better. Ever since I can remember i've had X-rays, cat scans, all kinds of tests, nothing was really found, but the ulcer of course. My nerves are getting worse all the time. And unfortunately, there's so much that i don't like.
I don't know what do . help.
And also I live in farm land where everyone is spraying everything.
I don't want to live in a bubble.
I'm just upset and don't know where to turn.
I think some kind of natural healer, but which kind?
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« Reply #739 on: July 23, 2008, 05:06:59 AM »

http://www.owenfoundation.com/Health_Science/Lectins_in_Foods.html

And I found this about blood types-I am AB negative, rare.

ABO Blood Type Specific Lectins in Edible Foods


This is an alphabetical list of Foods containing ABO Blood Type Specific Lectins, from edible Plant and Animal sources.
Most lectins, in plant species, are NOT ABO blood type specific. Even fewer EDIBLE plants have lectins that are ABO type specific.

This list does conflict with the information of the various incarnations of 'blood type diets', as far as specific foods agglutinating certain of the ABO blood types only. However, this information below has been derived directly from the published scientific literature and studies which are listed in the references which follow the list. It is not known where the authors of these diet books came up with their ABO blood-type agglutination data. It appears to be false when compared to published scientific studies.

The first section has a list of foods, in alphabetical order for easier searching, their scientific names, and which blood types are agglutinated by them.

The researchers who did this testing have published their findings. Their work covers many medicinal plants too which I did not show here.
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« Reply #740 on: July 23, 2008, 04:32:08 PM »

Trudy, I really think it is a mistake to stop getting enough nutrition by cutting back on all of your food abruptly.  Your body needs a steady supply of nutrients to sustain itself and heal itself.  I, myself, keep eating and feeding my kids, opting to make changes slowly after a lot of research and careful consideration.  Take the time, most of the effects we are worried about on this thread will be long-term.  After you decide to make a change, your body will most likely have the chance to repair itself with good nutrution and its own defenses.  If you eliminate meat and glutens, etc, etc, you will not be left with enough choices to nourish and sustain yourself, which will be worse than any small amounts of toxins, etc.  Your body is equipped to deal with small amounts of many toxins very well.  Stress is hard on the body, too.
I remember when I was pregnant and had horrible morning sickness all day.  I was trying to drive 15 miles to get organic milk--which was hard to find at the time.  The trip made me even more nauseous due to the motion and the stress made it worse.  I was telling my doc and he said I should just try to stay well and perhaps the stress and nausea regarding the long trip to the whole food store was not worth the risk of a small amount of rBGH milk.  He may have been right or wrong; it''s probably impossible to quantify, but he had a point.  And I considered it thoroughly.  And I stopped making that drive until I felt better.  We have to take care of ourselves!
I hope the things you read here and elsewhere will not scare you so, and you really do need to eat well.  My advice is to be a little more flexible and think long and hard before making a severe change in your diet.  As radical as I am about this stuff, I do feed my kids high-fructose corn syrup sometimes and a lot of other non-organic foods.  It is impossible to escape sanely, IMO.  I will make them neurotic if I act on every one of my impulses, and they will be undernourished and stressed.  That's not what I want for them or any of us.  I would rather feed them some questionable foods than not enough food period--a situation that I have no doubt is going to harm them.  There would be no excuse for that.  At least I am doing the best I can with what I have and know. 
All we can do is enlighten ourselves and push our government and food producers for change if that is what we believe in.  I do not believe glutens (or all meats) are bad for everyone. They may not be bad for you unless you have celiac or a sensitivity you are sure of.  You have to eat.  With all we read and share here, I find myself getting obsessive about it, and while it seems warranted to be mindful, I know, I have to eat and feed the kids.  I make the best choices I can with the knowledge and availability that I have, and that gives me a great advantage over my own health.  Vary your diet so as not to concentrate any single toxin--it will give your body a fighting chance to eliminate it.  It also gives your body a fuller spectrum of nutrients.  Drink plenty of pure water. 
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« Reply #741 on: July 23, 2008, 04:44:20 PM »

DMS, Thanks again. I do drink a lot of water. I love water, believe it or not. and i wonder what to cut down on? that's the real concern. which one might be the worst one?
But I am eating, I'm trying to learn more and study more. And I just want to feel better.
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« Reply #742 on: July 23, 2008, 05:03:10 PM »

You have to eat, Trudy.  You need to keep up your strength not only for yourself, but for your family and your pets. 

A lot of stuff on the internet (and yes even here) you need to take with a grain of salt.  A lot of people are pushing things, things to make money, pushing their points of view, their beliefs.  There is a lot of depressing doom and gloom stuff here.  Try not to dwell on it. 

It is fine to be prepared, but I try to keep it in the back of my mind in case I need the information later, but I'm not going to let it rule my life.  I try to think about the things I have control over.  Thinking of things I can't control are not going to control me.  Just my opinion.

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« Reply #743 on: July 23, 2008, 05:06:01 PM »

That might be part of it. i hate to be out of control.
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« Reply #744 on: July 23, 2008, 05:12:12 PM »

Trudy- You need to pick what worth fighting over [just like when your kids were little !]. Just try to buy local & organic when economically possible & cut back on fast food & prepared foods. If the basics of your diet are good & you drink lots of water to flush your sysytem,you are way ahead of most people. Last year I was killing myself trying to buy & prepare everything fresh. This year I am a little more flexible. If I drop dead of a stroke from stress & exhaustion it won't really matter how careful I was with food will it ?
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« Reply #745 on: July 23, 2008, 05:50:50 PM »

trudy I hear you on wondering what will keep me going and make me healthier too. The biggest thing I gave up due to the lectins was all boxed cereal, pasta, crackers, try to steer clear of wheat, bleached flour, rolls, buns, cakes, cookies unless gluten free and maybe twice a month have bread that is made with unbleached flour. I noticed a definite improvement in the bloating I would get and couldn't figure out what was causing it. Now when I do overdo on the bread say 3 days in a row my stomach bloats up so big-almost like I'm pregnant and the skin would stretch to the point it hurt. Been almost 5 months since I gave this up and have more energy, and no more bloating up.

You can't eliminate all food-you are setting yourself up to get ill if you should catch some cold or anything and it could last longer than if you are continuing to give your body the food for fuel it needs to keep going. Who will look after all your lil babies if your too sick to do it? They need you and look for you to look out for them.

The local Jewel grocer started to carry meat that does not have antibiotics in it and not give hormone shots either. It is healthier meat and more reasonable than Whole Foods prices. Have chicken, beef, and pork selections. Called Wild Harvest which I believe is Jewel's organic line of foods. Hopefully a store by you has something like it or ask if they are planning on an organic section for the store.

Hang in there trudy - we've all been thru the wringer and back with all that has been done to us and our pets but we're all still here and will support you no matter what.
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« Reply #746 on: July 23, 2008, 07:15:58 PM »



And I found this about blood types-I am AB negative, rare.


Trudy, we do some blood type diet matching and I do think it can be helpful.  My husband is an AB and I'm an O, so it would be impossible to plan meals to benefit both types all the time.  But I just keep it in mind. 

I'm like JJ with the refined flour products, though whole grain is not as bad.  I switched to sprouted grain bread, (idea from the blood type book), and I do much better.  I'm the opposite of you in that I have to fight not to gain weight.  My husband, (AB), is like you especially when young he was very thin.

Good news is that AB's seem to do better with a more vegetarian diet than O's do.  That will save you money, especially with good meat getting to be so expensive.  You can PM if you have questions. 

Don't worry about things, but just notice what makes you feel good.  Peanut butter is not recommended for O's, but I still eat some.  The overall balance and quality is what is important.  Try to eat colorful fruits and veggies for the antioxidants.
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« Reply #747 on: July 23, 2008, 07:32:25 PM »

Another trick is to mix pb with another type,sunflower butter,almond butter or cashew butter. Try to only eat things made with whole grains or unbleached flours.Add beans to your diet when possible for extra protein when cutting down on meats.Don't drink soda ! Or any artificial sweeteners. Try to see how you feel after eating certain foods & avoid the ones that make you worse. I unfortunately have the opposite problem of yours. Like Klondike I gain too easily. Before I turned 40 I was thin,now I weigh easily 25 lbs more & can't shed it no matter what I do.
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« Reply #748 on: July 23, 2008, 11:22:13 PM »

Trudy,
     I have to agree with Just Me about taking things you read "with a grain of salt".  Don't let every scary story get to you, because next week someone else will have a different theory on the same thing.  My motto has always been "Everything in moderation".  So far, it seems to have worked for me.  I am 64 years old and my husband is 66.  Neither of us take any prescription medications and are in good health.  Life is too short anyway, and I'm not going to let being bombarded with 1000's of theories about what is good and what is bad about what I eat rule my life.  Let your own common sense rule.  It probably is true that you won't do well to live on "fast food".  So, don't do it, but allow yourself to indulge once in a while because that one meal will not kill you.  That is just an example of what I mean by "everything in moderation".  Nothing can be worse for you than going through life being stressed by thinking that everything in this world is "bad" for you. 
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« Reply #749 on: July 24, 2008, 05:09:02 AM »

Mandycat said it so well.  And, I'm going to say it out loud with no criticism intended, but I tend to be the kind of person who reads all of the "horror stories" ~ and there are many ~ and then stress about them. It's far too easy for me to get into a "gloom and doom" mentality and then when I read about others who are doing oh, so many things right, I get very discouraged and feel that I need to try harder. That seems to create a cycle of stress that just spins out of control!

So, the sharing of ideas on this thread has been helpful to me to reconsider what I can do and what I am doing. There's always room for improvement, but it's easy to make myself nutso crazy trying to live life like it's a minefield. And I've done that to myself a lot since the pet food debacle began for us.

just thinking out loud . . .
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