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« Reply #675 on: June 27, 2008, 02:46:30 AM » |
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"If stocks have another day like this tomorrow, then the fallout next week could include government intervention in the markets," said Doelling."
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"American GIs are not toy soldiers to be moved around on some global game board." ----General Colin Powell
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« Reply #676 on: June 27, 2008, 02:50:34 AM » |
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Was watching CNN yesterday morning, and they said stocks were showing a strong upswing in the morning - then we have nap, lol.
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« Reply #677 on: June 27, 2008, 02:54:24 AM » |
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General Motors (GM:General Motors Corporation GM 11.43, -1.38, -10.8%) weighed most heavily on the blue chips, down 10.8%, after Goldman Sachs told clients to unload their positions in the face of the deteriorating automotive climate. See full story. These folks are in a serious conflict of interest (most of their money is now in the commodities - you guess right - oil!)
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« Reply #678 on: June 27, 2008, 01:06:13 PM » |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_bi_ge/fed_credit_crisisWhy doesn't anyone "bail" us out? Fed aided Wall Street to avert "contagion" WASHINGTON - The Federal Reserve was scrambling to prevent a "contagion" from infecting the nation's financial system when it took unprecedented actions to back a Bear Stearns rescue package and provide emergency loans to big Wall Street firms. The Federal Reserve released documents Friday providing insights into its private deliberations in March that led to those controversial decisions. The Fed's actions came when credit and financial problems were intensifying, threatening to paralyze the entire financial system and plunge the economy into a recession.
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« Reply #679 on: June 27, 2008, 11:16:49 PM » |
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trudy not going to bail us out at all. The market is correcting and its long overdue. Real market value is only around 9,000 points or slightly less. The stocks are not worth the price that the market is at now. These big corporations will lose more money and eventually have to lower prices so those of us who can least afford anything might be able to buy something once in awhile and find it cost prohibitive to have their wares overseas as shipping it back is now very expensive. So they can't raise the prices on imported things they make in other countries - no one here will have money to buy it. So they're "stuck between a rock and a hard place" (a Rolling Stones song).
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« Reply #680 on: June 28, 2008, 06:32:52 AM » |
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trudy not going to bail us out at all. The market is correcting and its long overdue. Real market value is only around 9,000 points or slightly less. The stocks are not worth the price that the market is at now. These big corporations will lose more money and eventually have to lower prices so those of us who can least afford anything might be able to buy something once in awhile and find it cost prohibitive to have their wares overseas as shipping it back is now very expensive. So they can't raise the prices on imported things they make in other countries - no one here will have money to buy it. So they're "stuck between a rock and a hard place" (a Rolling Stones song).
Somewhat my position exactly (but will take awhile for them to convert, because they are looking at markets overseas - hence the 2010 date). Things won't be in fair equilibirum until about 2060. In the meantime, are you intimating I might be able to buy a NEWER (as opposed to new) couch? P.S. I'm one of those folks that is in the holes of IRS rules, and can't get my Stimulus payment until next year (may be visiting the IRS office over this, since I definitely qualify on 2 counts, and they may be out of money next year).
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« Reply #681 on: June 29, 2008, 04:23:50 PM » |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbi-0Tg1b_g&feature=relatedRon Paul Warns Bernanke: U.S. Moving Towards Corporate Fascism
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« Reply #682 on: July 06, 2008, 09:33:04 AM » |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_bi_ge/dollar_doldrumsThe buck doesn't stop here; it just keeps falling WASHINGTON - Things in the U.S. sure are tough. Brother, can you spare a euro? Signs saying "We accept euros" are cropping up in the windows of some Manhattan retailers. A Belgium company is trying to gobble up St. Louis-based Anheuser-Busch, the nation's largest brewer and iconic Super Bowl advertiser. The almighty dollar is mighty no more. It has been declining steadily for six years against other major currencies, undercutting its role as the leading international banking currency. The long slide is fanning inflation at home and playing a major role in the run-up of oil and gasoline prices everywhere
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« Reply #683 on: July 07, 2008, 01:36:12 AM » |
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http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/schultz-settles-apocalyptic-mode/story.aspx?guid=%7BCE9F808B%2DC32A%2D485E%2DBC35%2DE538C2F010CB%7DPETER BRIMELOW Shadow boxing the apocalypse Commentary: Veteran Schultz says we're in 'major global upheaval' By Peter Brimelow, MarketWatch Last update: 12:33 a.m. EDT July 7, 2008 NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The eponymous octogenarian editor of the International Harry Schultz Letter may be settling down. But he's settling down in apocalypse mode"Maybe the neocon troika is going to bomb Iran -- or let Israel do it, with the U.S. ready to take over if need be. Or maybe the U.S. government is about to impose total exchange controls. Or maybe the Amero [a merged Canadian-Mexican-U.S. currency] will be announced as a fait accompli. Or maybe a state of emergency will be announced. Or maybe U.S. government bonds will be frozen for repayment. Whatever. My bet is Iran; some of the other items to follow as a result...." Deep Purple Time To Kill lyrics (1993)
Consider your position position your defense Why don't you let me ask you is it mere coincidence Feeding speculators on a downhill gravy train Like vultures ripping out the eyes to reach the dying brain
Listen to the wind - a silent scream Tearing at your broken heart Like a forgotten dream
And there's a time for peace a time for war Wondering what we've been put here for A time for giving a time to take A time for love and a time for hate A time to beg and a time to steal So you gamble on that spinning wheel Of all these things I've had my fill Lord I need some time to kill
Ten percent of nothing is exactly what you got You think you've got the given right to take another shot I'll take away your money all you've got is coloured beads Find a piece of land where you can sow your seeds
Listen to the wind - a silent scream Tearing at your broken heart Like a forgotten dream
There's a time for passion a time for pain A time to learn that we're all the same A time to remember a time to forget Wondering how we're going to pay our debts A time for thunder a time for rain Waiting for the seasons to change Of all these things I've had my fill Lord I need some time to kill
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« Reply #684 on: July 08, 2008, 08:04:10 AM » |
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Pending home sales fall 4.7 percent 51 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The National Association of Realtors says pending U.S. home sales dipped in May as the housing market continues to struggle. The group's seasonally adjusted index of pending sales for existing homes fell 4.7 percent to 84.7 from an upwardly revised April reading of 88.9. The index was 14 percent below year-ago levels.
Wall Street economists surveyed by Thomson/IFR had predicted the index would come in at 87. The index, which sunk to a record low of 83 in March, stood at 98.5 in May 2007.
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« Reply #685 on: July 11, 2008, 12:52:23 AM » |
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http://www.halcyon.com/piglet/Populism.htmThe Rise and Fall of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz as a "Parable on Populism"  Time to reveal the truth, Toto!by David B. Parker
As published in the JOURNAL OF THE GEORGIA ASSOCIATION OF HISTORIANS, vol. 15 (1994), pp. 49-63 . "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is one of America's favorite pieces of juvenile literature. Children like it because it is a good story, full of fun characters and exciting adventures. Adults--especially those of us in history and related fields--like it because we can read between L. Frank Baum's lines and see various images of the United States at the turn of the century. That has been true since 1964, when American Quarterly published Henry M. Littlefield's "The Wizard of Oz: Parable on Populism." Littlefield described all sorts of hidden meanings and allusions to Gilded Age society in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz: the wicked Witch of the East represented eastern industrialists and bankers who controlled the people (the Munchkins); the Scarecrow was the wise but naive western farmer; the Tin Woodman stood for the dehumanized industrial worker; the Cowardly Lion was William Jennings Bryan, Populist presidential candidate in 1896; the Yellow Brick Road, with all its dangers, was the gold standard; Dorothy's silver slippers (Judy Garland's were ruby red, but Baum originally made them silver) represented the Populists' solution to the nation's economic woes ("the free and unlimited coinage of silver"); Emerald City was Washington, D.C.; the Wizard, "a little bumbling old man, hiding behind a facade of paper mache and noise, . . . able to be everything to everybody," was any of the Gilded Age presidents.(1) The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was no longer an innocent fairy tale. According to Littlefield, Baum, a reform-minded Democrat who supported William Jennings Bryan's pro-silver candidacy, wrote the book as a parable of the Populists, an allegory of their failed efforts to reform the nation in 1896. "Baum never allowed the consistency of the allegory to take precedence over the theme of youthful entertainment," Littlefield hedged at one point; "the allegory always remains in a minor key." Still, he concluded that "the relationships and analogies outlined above . . . are far too consistent to be coincidental."(2) It was an interesting notion, one scholars could not leave alone, and they soon began to find additional correspondences between Populism and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. Richard Jensen, in a 1971 study of Midwestern politics and culture, devoted two pages to Baum's story. He implicitly qualified Littlefield by pointing out that not all pro-Bryan silverites were Populists. But Jensen then proceeded to add two new points to the standard Littlefield interpretation, finding analogies for Toto and Oz itself: Dorothy's faithful dog represented the teetotaling Prohibitionists, an important part of the silverite coalition, and anyone familiar with the silverites' slogan "16 to 1"--that is, the ratio of sixteen ounces of silver to one ounce of gold--would have instantly recognized "Oz" as the abbreviation for "ounce." A few years later, literary scholar Brian Attebery wrote that "it is too much to say . . . that The Wizard is a 'Parable on Populism,' but it does share many of the Populist concerns and biases." Like Jensen, Attebery cautioned against an uncritical acceptance of Littlefield; and again like Jensen, he went on to suggest an analogy of his own: "Dorothy, bold, resourceful, leading the men around her toward success, is a juvenile Mary Lease, the Kansas firebrand who told her neighbors to raise less corn and more hell."............" You got it - less corn and more hell!
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« Reply #686 on: July 13, 2008, 11:36:11 PM » |
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http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/white-house-fed-step-rescue/story.aspx?guid=F942EDC2-E975-4F01-AF6F-F1D7591E4526&dist=SecMostReadWhite House, Fed will rescue Fannie, Freddie Government-sponsored lenders are too global to go under, Paulson saysBy Greg Robb, MarketWatch Last update: 9:44 p.m. EDT July 13, 2008 WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- "The implicit government guarantee of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is now explicit. In a dramatic statement released Sunday, the White House and Federal Reserve moved to give the mortgage giants the capital they need to survive the depression in the housing market and turmoil in financial markets that had left them dangling over a cliff. Of most immediate importance, the Fed's board of governors voted to open up its emergency discount window to Fannie and Freddie....."
It's all blowing up now. Who do you think is really bailing out the mess while the pigs suffer no consequences to their Swiss bank accounts? Maybe it won't be the investors in Fannie and Freddie....but it will be the on the backs of the U.S. taxpayer in general. Freddie and Fannie are not 'too global' to fail. They failed. Past tense. Bear Stearns failed. IndyMac failed. And the U.S. itself is not too big to fail and nobody will bail us out if we do. The Wizard of Oz was written in the Zeitgeist created by the Panic of 1893. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893"The Panic of 1893 was a serious economic depression in the United States and began in 1893. This panic was an extension of the Panic of 1873, and like that earlier crash, was caused by railroad overbuilding and shaky railroad financing which set off a series of bank failures. Compounding market overbuilding and a railroad bubble was a run on the gold supply and a policy of using both gold and silver metals as a peg for the US Dollar value. The Panic of 1893 was the worst economic crisis to hit the nation in its history to that point and, some argue, as bad as the Great Depression of the 1930s."Someone lent me this book in the early 90's. She was an 'intuitive' and said she thought for some reason I would want to look at the book. I had a strong reaction to the book, but am just now understanding why. http://www.wisconsindeathtrip.com/reviews.html Wisconsin Death Trip New York Times Sunday, November 28, 1999 Arts and Leisure Section By Greil Marcus
A Record of Despair Born of a Single Image

"When I first heard that someone had made a movie out of Michael Lesy’s shocking, genre-defying “Wisconsin Death Trip,” I could imagine the result, or think of a book less amenable to film. It seemed absolutely a thing in itself: its own construct, its own nightmare, its own scream. ......... This collapse of the American economy was denied even as it happened: the 1893 Columbian Exposition, in Chicago, which introduced the Ferris wheel to the United States, was the denial as theme park. The depression hit farm states the hardest. There, where the weather had been understood as the greatest threat to an orderly life, all other foundations of predictability--the assumption that in domestic and working life one day would be much like the one before it--were destroyed." L. Frank Baum resurrected and saved Dorothy, but who will save the 'everyman' now?
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« Reply #687 on: July 14, 2008, 12:11:10 AM » |
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Might be on the backs of us people but we're tapped out, no blood from these turnips to be had, nada, zilch, nothing. Don't know where they think they're going to get money from? The fed only has a limited amount to shell out and from what I've read they have spent just about half of that now. When the deratives start to fail, just a matter of time, then the sheet will really hit the fan and hope that all of you have managed to get your houses in order to be able to weather the downturn thats a comin'.
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« Reply #688 on: July 14, 2008, 01:50:23 PM » |
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Did You also hear that tons of people are taking their money out of the banks? that sure reminded Me of what they said happened in the G.Drpression.
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« Reply #689 on: July 15, 2008, 11:18:39 AM » |
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I was looking for sites to check the condition of banks and credit unions. Don't know how good this one is. http://www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/ss_home.asp
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