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« on: August 11, 2008, 05:19:10 PM » |
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3 to 4.3 billion barrels of recoverable oil found in North Dakota - http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911 They knew about this 2-3 yrs ago. but apparently wanted to keep it under wraps to make sure price of oil stayed high.....
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 08:11:25 PM » |
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Good find, JJ!!! The myth of oil scarcity suits a lot of political agendas, too. The Sheeple think the neolibs and neocons are fighting over something real. Keeps us distracted.
"The USGS estimate of 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil has a mean value of 3.65 billion barrels. Scientists conducted detailed studies in stratigraphy and structural geology and the modeling of petroleum geochemistry. They also combined their findings with historical exploration and production analyses to determine the undiscovered, technically recoverable oil estimates.
USGS worked with the North Dakota Geological Survey, a number of petroleum industry companies and independents, universities and other experts to develop a geological understanding of the Bakken Formation. These groups provided critical information and feedback on geological and engineering concepts important to building the geologic and production models used in the assessment."
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Sandi K
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 10:33:04 PM » |
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Very interesting JJ. The other thing that has always stumped me is why they claim they need to open up new areas to drill in when they supposedly have existing leases they havent even drilled on.
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Dennis
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2008, 08:02:37 AM » |
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One of the things I don't understand is the leases for oil that Congress is fond of telling us about. As I heard it, the Congress gave the oil companies leases to the land to explore for oil. But once the companies find oil, then they have to go back to Congress and get permission to drill to actually develop that oil and to be able to pipe it out of that area. When our Congresscritters tell us that the oil companies are choosing not to develop the leased lands, I think the critters are telling us a half-truth - that yes, there are leases and yes the companies explored for oil, but where it is found, Congress has helped exacerbate our dependence upon foreign oil by NOT approving development and production of oil from much of the leased lands. Half-truths. Some reportedly have actually explored and waited for permission and didn't get it and eventually gave back the lease.
The Glenn Beck show recently on both radio and on television was an eye opener about oil. He guested the former President of Shell Oil.
One of the other misconceptions that Congress has been busy telling us is that it will take 10 years for drilling to produce anything and thus we should not bother to do so here. That is an even bigger half-truth/lie based upon the former Shell President's comments. Here is why.
He says that the companies are often prohibited or inhibitied from new drilling in existing areas like off coast near California, Texas and Florida. Where there is refining capacity and pipelines already in existence to carry oil from the wells, we can quickly drill and develop new oil sources. He said that it would only take a few months to develop and produce more oil off the coast of California near existing wells. And in less than two years for off Florida and Texas. And since there is an Alaskan Pipeline, ANWAR would take less than 10 years. But if we try to explore and then develop oil wells say off other State's coasts where there is no refinery and no pipelines, then that could take 10 years. So when Congresscritters say 10 years, know they aren't telling the full truth as they advance their alternative energy agenda. And pumping air into our tires isn't going to bring down the prices of foreign oil nor will it reduce our dependence nor will it reduce the trade deficit we have when buying that oil nor will it diminish the amount of funding that goes to questionable regimes who then quietly fund radical groups that cause us trouble.
Another part of the inconvenient truth is that by Congress withholding permissions to develop oil domestically, they have forced us to become extremely dependent upon foreign oil and thus made foreign oil availability a national security issue since the country runs on it. Had Congress provided oil development permissions 10 years ago instead of withholding them, we'd have the domestic oil NOW. And if Congress had done a better job of funding research and development of alternative energies, we might now be switching off oil instead of being caught still using it.
I'd like to see our country do much more to develop and encourage development of alternative energy but I am also a realist. We need oil short term for years and we better develop that oil domestically. We need domestic oil, not foreign oil, and we better fix this oil problem which is hurting us economically. Alongside that oil development, we should be deciding which alternative energy will be used. Biofuels aren't a good choice. They drive up food prices and provide less energy than they cost to produce. What makes more sense is development of electrical vehicles or those based upon hydrogen. Electrical can be powered by multiple sources and should be - solar, turbine wind power, gas charging engine, and plug-in. Hydrogen burns cleanly to water vapor, condenses to water and can be converted in the vehicle back into hydrogen and oxygen if they choose to do so. There are already kits for cars that do this and add miles per gallon to gasoline engines which then partly burn hydrogen.
I recommend watching Glenn Beck on CNN. He is a rogue moderate conservative I'd say. He isn't fond of either Presidential candidate for example. And he has promised us he would would always tell us the facts as he sees them, not the spin. It will remain to be seen how well he does at this. He has busted myths about [edited] and the various rumors that aren't true about him as another example.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2008, 11:59:57 AM » |
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But the ex-pres of Shell also has a political/financial agenda IMO--and a particular mindset and value system. I did see that interview. Glenn Beck definitely has his own perspective and spin on things as well. Calling him a moderate conservative is pretty fair, IMO. Rogue--I don't know. I don't see him as very unconventional, open, or objective and put him in a similar category with OReilly, Lou Dobbs, etc. They all start with their own basic premise and I would even say prejudice. Then they claim to be objective and proceed to "prove" their points. Try the Colbert Report for an up to the minute reality check. It's on Comedy Central, but actually points out the hypocracy and stupidity of daily politics. But for an in-depth view, or at least something like it, I would watch investigative reporting: Frontline or Bill Moyers, etc. Mainstream media's 5-15 minute soundbites can never give us the whole story or compare and contrast the many views and sets of evidence. It's more like entertainment and diversion with a popular personality talking head. Sorry for the rant and I do realize this is only my opinion. I just find the media and politics to be such a circus lately. Journalism really suffers at the box of Mass Media.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2008, 07:24:58 PM » |
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For the oil that is discovered on lands owned by companies I would have to do a lot of searching to find the site that stated that when any company found a good amount in a well they were capped immediately to keep the oil off the market and continue the price spiral. If anyone on here would know how many exactly that remain capped that are capable now of producing oil out of these wells please put that info out for the people to see. The only thing any oil company has in mind is their bottom line - MONEY and how much they can gouge the average person out of by inflating the price to tremendous amounts til we get to the point we are now with I believe I heard on the news today that we are driving here in this country 300,000 less miles every day. So is that the real reason the price is gradually coming down, no sales tax revenue being generated for roads, etc? Should have thought of that before spiking it so high in the first place by letting the speculators have their fun at our expense.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2008, 08:24:46 PM » |
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Well, living in Alaska, I hear alot about ANWR but I can tell you I dont think drilling there is the answer for 3 reasons. One, I feel that it would just keep everyone addicted to oil, no one would change their ways and the writing is on the wall, now is the time for change and if we dont do it now, at some point it will be forced on everyone and times will be even harder then they are now while people are waiting for alternative energy. Two, why is there something wrong with keeping a pristine wilderness area a pristine wilderness area? Do humans have to put their footprint on every square foot of land there is on this planet? Three, what would come out of ANWR wouldnt be a drop in the bucket of what would be needed to help the U.S. stay independent of foreign oil. I dont normally say much on these threads but just thought I would offer my view and thats all it is, my view. Im not saying its the gospel, just extrapilating whats coming out of my peabrain. Im waiting for them to develop wind power so I can put one in my backyard and hook up to it. We have lots of wind here, enough to share with the whole US of A!
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2008, 08:49:05 PM » |
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Sandi I live in the 'windy city' and I could have sworn I heard Mayor Daley talking about wind turbines being built way out in Lake Michigan - that would save a lot of money in electricity. I'm all for alternative energy sources being more developed and brought to market.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 04:10:05 AM » |
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Sandi K ~ you go girl!!! It's nice to hear a voice of reason amid all the craziness. IF we are able to provide more oil and cheaper prices then we will simply go back to (mis)using it. I don't know why the government isn't instituting more conservation measures. Maybe it's time to cut highway speed limits back again. Maybe we could turn off some of the millions of lights that are merely advertising, recreational (ie the Vegas strip, Times Square, etc), huge halftime shows at sporting events, etc. Surely those excesses, sorry folks I believe they are, don't jibe with a country who is "worried" about oil prices and energy conservation. Steps down off of soapbox . . .
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 12:19:04 PM » |
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Bad news for those of us against more offshore drilling. I knew the Dem's would never stick to their word. Over and over they fail to legislate and are basically right in line with Republicans. No matter what they say, they end up buckling in the end when it matters most. http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/scimedemail/la-na-drilling14-2008aug14,0,1985775.storyPelosi joins Democrats softening their stance against offshore drilling One proposal under consideration would let states decide whether to permit new energy exploration off their coasts while possibly maintaining the drilling ban off the Pacific Coast, according to a House leadership aide who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of ongoing negotiations. Pelosi has long opposed lifting the drilling ban but has come under pressure from members of her own party -- including freshmen in tough reelection campaigns -- to allow a vote on offshore drilling. Adding to that, Democratic presidential candidate Barack [edited] recently said that he would be open to limited offshore drilling if it was part of a broader energy compromise. A vote is likely to be held next month, after the House returns from its summer recess.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 09:18:13 PM » |
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121875013286742245.html?mod=fpa_whatsnewsData Raise Questions On Role of Speculators By Ann Davis Data emerging on players in the commodities markets show that speculators are a larger piece of the oil market than previously known, a development enlivening an already tense election-year debate about traders' influence.
Last month, the main U.S. regulator of commodities trading, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, reclassified a large unidentified oil trader as a "noncommercial" speculator.
The move changed many analysts' perceptions of the oil market from a more diversified marketplace to one with a heavier-than-thought concentration of financial players who punt on big bets.
As a result, the number of futures and options contracts held by traders counted ...http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/22/news/economy/Dems_speculators/index.htmDemocrats: Crackdown on oil speculatorsSenate Democrats 'Stop Excessive Speculation Act' gives CFTC more leeway to punish oil price manipulation. By CNN's Scott Anderson Last Updated: July 22, 2008: 12:34 PM EDT
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