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« on: October 12, 2008, 01:01:33 PM »


What the PFI couldn't do, a few members and former members seem to be intent on doing -------------- destroying the forum.

It has come to our attention that these individuals are culling the membership list here to send emails and/or PMs to current members, even those who haven't posted in months and months, inviting them to join another forum and to post over there complaining about this forum, about the research being done here, and the moderators here.  We have received complaints from some members who have had their privacy invaded that they have been recipients of such unwanted solicitations/spam.  Solicitations/spam are against the terms of service here.

The moderators have also personally witnessed these individuals going through the membership list on a daily basis now.  Be sure you have your email addresses hidden if you so desire.  If you don't know how to do it, please contact one of the moderators to do it for you.

As a reminder, whether you are visiting here as a guest or logged in, your IP address(es) are recorded (as stated in the terms of service).

It appears that some disgruntled individuals have forgotten the Pet Food Recall of 2007 entirely, have forgotten our sick and deceased pets, and are more interested in fighting with other members, pitting members against each other, and taking up the time of the moderators.

If you receive an unwelcome solicitation via email or PM, we ask that you send a PM to one of the moderators here.

One would hope that if individuals aren't happy here, they would just move on and let the remaining members carry on with the tasks at hand; namely, what killed our pets, helping each other with health questions, comforting each other, and enjoying sharing our "kids" stories and photos.
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 01:19:01 PM »

This is not good news.  If there are people that are not happy here, why wouldn't they just go to another forum and leave the rest of us in peace to fight for the safety of our animals?  Is this why menusux is gone?  I hope not....
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 02:00:37 PM »

I agree!  I discovered this forum when CJ was poisoned and I didn't have the slightest clue what was going on. I learned and was supported through her lengthy hospitalizations, further surgery, all the while taking in the amazing information that forum members had found. It felt like family and family that loved animals as much as I do.

So when other things happened in my life, I, of course, came to this forum for information, but more often as a safe place to share my burdens. You see, most of the people in my "real" life think I'm a bit of a nutjob because I care so much and do so much for my cats. There is so much I cannot even talk to them about. And they, without malice, often suggest that maybe I should just get on with life . . . so talking with them and sharing with them hasn't been a very good option for me.

I live alone (well, with no other skin people  Wink ) and everyone here has been so kind to me.

Aren't there enough bad things going on in the world without turning against each other here? I agree with kittylyda and just me ~ if this isn't the right forum for you, please find one that is, but leave those of us who want to be here alone and don't spoil things for us. I'm just concerned that Ben will decide it's not worth the hassle and shut this forum down.

That would leave a huge hole in my life. And I would miss you and your animals terribly.

If you are one of those people who is causing a problem, please rethink what you are doing and why and please go where you are happier. But don't destroy all the good that has happened here.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 02:14:06 PM »

I really don't think this forum can be destroyed by the few disgruntled members.  The collective is far greater than the sum of the individuals.  The people who choose to remain will carry the forum on.  Guests will come, find what they are looking for,  and new members will join.  The forum is constantly evolving, not static.  I truly hope those who have taken a hiatus due to the negativity will soon come back as they are missed.  And for those who feel the need to move on, that is a choice they have to make.   Why they want to leave destruction in their wakes, that is for them to come to terms with in the long run.  They can only succeed if everyone else gives up.  But for all of us who are finding exactly what we need, we can weather this transition.  From the links on blogs etc that I have seen and in my own research, I think this is still a highly regarded forum.  There is always objection in a free and open society.  Ethics are a grayer area, but must be cultivated by the individual. 

P. S. I think the moderators are doing a great job although it is too bad that you have been called on to work so hard and sort out what I can only guess are some rather petty complaints.  From my perspective, you have been very fair, never heavy-handed or authoritarian.  You were very cautious about increasing your level of involvement and abilities to intervene or censor--it seems only due to necessity.   Thank you.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 03:51:43 PM »

I think the individuals who may be trying to ruin the forum have just erased all the good wishes and thoughts they ever shared here.....As I have said before...this forum is bigger than any one of us..it has been built up by all of us here and for someone to try to intentionally ruin this forum knowing how much this place has helped so many grieving pet owners..and how the posts have educated so many  of us with the problems with our current pet food companies and regulations and human food too....I can not understand....This is the first place I visit each day (after a quick "pet food recall" google) and it's one of the last places I check at night (before a quick "pet food recall" google) and if I do find some interesting recall news or pet food info the first place I share it with is itchmoforums so all of us can see it...and nothing can make me leave here....I can not understand either why one feels they need to destroy what we have taken almost two years to build up....I have not received any emails about this but if I do I will share them with this forum.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 05:29:25 PM »

I hope a few disgruntled current or former members can't destroy what we have here. A place to find answers about what has killed and sickened our pets,and a place to find early warnings about new problems. This is always the first and last place I check daily,especially before doing any food shopping for anyone. I hope the members who have left because of these problems will return,we need them.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 05:47:49 PM »

I love this place. It's home for a lot of us.
Don't know where i'd be without it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 09:07:24 PM »

Probably a lot of us know who these individuals are. If they so chose to go and start another blog or whatever they are free to do so. Less stress for the people on here who support each other and do their utmost to inform with articles that pertain to pet as well as human health issues.

For the ones who visit here and find information to help them that is a wonderful thing and if they chose to become a member to offer their valuable insight they are also free to do so.

I have seen thru time that when people are jealous of a successful thing, no matter what it may be, they seek to destroy it as they deep down wish it was their idea in the first place and want to be the queen or king bee of the whole place and when that doesn't happen they get mad. We as a whole unit of members on here are probably more than likely glad your gone and the ones who know this forum and what it is about have no problems sticking around with their support.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 11:42:46 PM »

First, I think the mods have a very difficult job so I join in expressing appreciation for the efforts they are making. Maybe "forum moderating" should be part of the training for a career in diplomacy!

I don't get around the Internet much but the buzz I hear is that all forums have disagreements, misunderstandings, and arguments. And a moderator anywhere has got to intervene at times, and make decisions. That's certainly been the case in any group I ever worked with when I was employed, whether large or small. It's all part of group dynamics, sadly. So I don't much see the point of anyone going to another forum, thinking there will always be perfect harmony. That's not likely. I'd like to see those who have left come back here, instead of whatever this other stuff is (I haven't seen any PM's or emails like that).

This forum shows an impressive amount of support when someone needs help; shares an enlightening amount of experience in many areas; does excellent research; turns up a staggering amount of necessary information; has great humor, and stellar writing. So whatever else is going on, I feel that Itchmo will survive and endure.

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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2008, 04:43:55 AM »

I remember months ago when I stumbled on a pet site that had some pretty negative remarks about this forum and its members and how we all rallied to stick together then.  I know some feelings have changed here but to the few that may want to insult this forum in another forum...remember that the insults may be felt by many still here and had nothing to do with any of the anger....first and foremost the innocent victims are our pets ...and then secondly now it is those of us who have no idea what has happened here.... Undecided
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2008, 06:35:27 AM »

 First of all, there are many people who belong to more than one forum, pet related or otherwise. Most people were visiting numerous pet related forums and/or blogs during the recalls of 2007 in a desperate search to find information along with some answers as to what was really killing our pets. Personally my quest has not ended. If someone is considered a "defector" for that quest than that is very sad. It is not uncommon for people in leadership roles to use coercive and deceptive techniques to rally people against what they deem to be a threat to the ideal, principal, or group they believe in or belong to. This in turn causes others within that same group to become protective and defensive towards what they now believe is in harms way. I have made some great friends at Itchmo. Unfortunatley some either chose to become mods, quit the forum or are gone due to questionable circumstances. We used to have a lot of fun together and I miss that. So if visting other forums makes one a traitor/defector, than I guess I fit that description.   Carol, you are correct with your statement in regards to there are those "who have no idea what has happened here".                   
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2008, 10:44:27 AM »

Hoping menusux returns and soon.  Have been a member for some time and find Itchmo Forums consistently the one place I go online that is more helpful than any other. I'm stunned and clueless as to much of what must be happening, yet it is typical of any place on the internet to have some troublemakers.  This must be some perverse hobby.  In other cases it is simply a matter of misunderstandings that occur easily in print that would not happen if face to face.  Add in the most volitile stock market I've ever expeienced, declining interest rates, our election right around the corner and no wonder people are on edge. 

Those of us who are here must find a way to always cooperate with one another or find the exit door.  Personally, I can not think of a single member I know in this forum who I'd want to see heading for the exit.  Especially some such as menusux have been providing the bulk of good research and information. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 12:33:50 PM »

I havent read anywhere where anyone is being labeled a defector if they are a member in other forums.  I think what is being referred to are some posts at other forums where some not so kind words and generalizations are being said about Itchmo.  I have seen some of these recent posts and its pretty sad to see.  Itchmo was there for all of us during the pet food recalls of 2007 and I hope Ben and Emily and everyone else involved in keeping Itchmo running knows that the majority of us are still appreciative of all the time and effort it takes.       

I am still glad we have Itchmo forums and right now with dealing with a sick kitty, I am thankful for the kind wishes and many prayers being sent out way and am also thankful we have folks here spending countless of hours still looking out for pet food problems to keep us all alerted.   As far as moderating, all I can say is I admire anyone who volunteers for such a thankless task.  Its a no win situation to be in, you can never make everyone happy.  It doesnt matter what forum you go to, problems happen even under the best set of circumstances.   I have no ill-will or hard feelings towards those that have left or are unhappy but Im not sure judging by the posts I saw, that those feelings are mutual or reciprocated and that is unfortunate.  But Im not going to let it affect my involvement with Itchmo, I think the information here posted in the past and being found right now is of such importance and I hope Itchmo is around for a long time to come to protect all our pets.   Now....back to cleaning up more stinky diahrrea from my furry critter......   
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 02:24:46 PM »

(Sorry about the cleanup job, Sandi.  Went through that last week with Poco from a bad reaction to an antihistamine.  Tongue )

I sure don't know what is going on, either, as far as inter-forum action, and I am not saying this is happening, but just a general FYI about the possible motivations for member poaching - there could be financial gain involved.

http://www.communityspark.com/how-much-are-online-forums-worth/
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So I hope that whatever is going on, people just keep contributing to Itchmo.  And do a little advertising for the Itchmo forums in other venues, (not other pet forums because you would not want to be seen as poaching or rustling their members, of course), but in venues where there are nice people you'd enjoy on this forum.  Maybe you have other hobbies and participate in forums related to that.  Just say, "Hey - here is a great resource for support and information if you are a pet owner..."  Friends and relatives are possibilities, too.

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2008, 05:49:17 PM »

For myself, I roam and lurk at many places. Itchmo is the main one I read about pets. It always has been the main news spot for me since I found it.

YB has done thousands of hours of work that helped all of us..and is a great resource for many. She also writes a very good blog that I also enjoy reading. I hate to see sour grapes being stomped so blatantly & with such hubris in her forum.   

People will go where they go, but IMO how they go & what they do when they go speaks volumes
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