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« Reply #870 on: August 07, 2009, 05:41:21 PM »

This should work about as well as gypsy moth caterpillars did !
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« Reply #871 on: August 11, 2009, 01:10:08 PM »

Maybe they can agree to label GM foods when China labels Melamine foods? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #872 on: August 12, 2009, 12:17:35 AM »

With no testing that franken food is safe or not - a place can say anything as far as their stuff being safe since nothing exists saying its not cause you have to get permission from the producer to test their stuff. Ain't that a kick in the head?
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« Reply #873 on: August 12, 2009, 08:47:14 AM »

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Canada and the US use the WTO hammer to try to force China to accept unlabeled GM foods.

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You can rest assured these guys (them) are thinking of going surfing, running, football, fishing, bowling, golf, and even work not "safety" of the future food supply and "sensitivity" issues.

When a hammer is the only thing in your tool kit everything looks like a nail.

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« Reply #874 on: October 25, 2009, 05:28:59 PM »

Monsanto targets the year 2012.

These people are bound and determined to destroy us apparently. This is what happens when the wrong people try to play God.
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« Reply #875 on: October 26, 2009, 01:19:30 AM »

Ahhh Noooo say it ain't so Joe - franken food dying - how could this happen - thought it was Frankensteined up so much that it was impervious to everything. Sound like an achiles heel has been found.
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« Reply #876 on: October 26, 2009, 06:49:52 AM »

Horizontal gene transfer demonstrated in bee gut microorganisms; scientists can not get article published.  Also explored is the correlation of Bt and bee colony collapse disorder.


http://www.testbiotech.org/sites/default/files/risk-reloaded_engl.pdf

Interview by Christof Potthof with the bee
researcher Hans-Hinrich Kaatz, University of Halle26

IntroductionIn an investigation colonies of honey bees infected with the parasite nosema and fed with the pollen of the genetically modified maize MON810, collapsed much earlier than those colonies which were fed with conventional maize pollen. (......)

In the past you have done other honey bee research. Can you tell us a little bit about this?

Before starting the project with the Bt plants we had already done some research on possible hazards to the health of honey bees due to genetically modified herbicide resistant oil-seed rape and maize plants. We did not find anything negative here. Apart from this we also investigated whether the genes that come from the pollen of the plants could be transferred to honey bees. This is called horizontal gene transfer. Our first step was to find out if genes from the plants could be transferred to the microorganisms in the digestive tract of the honey bees. Later on we aimed to determine how high the probability was that the honey bees incorporate the genes themselves. One must consider that the crossover of genes is one of the principal mechanisms of evolution. It happens in very many groups of organisms. It was more a fundamental question of scientific principles than a practical problem. We cultivated the microorganisms with the pollen and the result was that the microorganisms had indeed taken up the pat gene.28 In the debate on genetic engineering it had always been said that one thing that could never happen was the horizontal transfer of newly inserted genes. We presented the results to the Nature journal and got two expert opinions. One was very positive, thinking it could be published immediately. The other thought we should do an additional analysis, a so-called Southern blot which would further verify our results. Then he would back publication. We said, “We’ll do that.” We did the Southern blot and submitted the article again in the belief that there was now nothing in our way. For a long time we heard nothing at all from the editorial team at Nature but in the meantime we were visited by a ZDF (German public television channel) team who asked us about our research. At the time we told them that nothing could be broadcast until an agreement had been reached with Nature and the article had been published. They nevertheless did broadcast a television programme. It was even on the news – all before we had had a final decision from Nature. We intervened strongly whereupon one of the ZDF team said, “Wait a minute, don’t you know that your article has been rejected.” Until that moment we had had no idea. When we asked him how he knew he said that he had spoken to some people at Monsanto and they had told him. Naturally I was shocked. It is good that they get to know these things, but I find it awful that they should know before the authors know.

How extraordinary!

Well, you know that when the person making the decision has contacts to Monsanto says something ... good. But the editorial team – since they were the only ones to have had both reports - that they pass this on, I find that very annoying. Such a highly respected journal. They shouldn’t need to do that. In fact such a review process should first and foremost be.....(falters)
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« Reply #877 on: October 27, 2009, 08:13:05 PM »

Well with our members on here bringing forth info that is pertinent to the die off of the bees the scientists are heard and hopefully others on here will spread the information by telling others also. GMO franken food = death?
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« Reply #878 on: January 13, 2010, 09:23:39 PM »

It's been a long time since I've seen any earth-shaking news [one can hope], but this was definitely worth waiting for!  It's absolutely beautiful.

http://www.aaemonline.org/gmopost.html

                                              Genetically Modified Foods



According to the World Health Organization, Genetically Modified Organisms(GMOs) are "organisms in which the genetic material (DNA) has been altered in such a way that does not occur naturally."1 This technology is also referred to as "genetic engineering", "biotechnology" or "recombinant DNA technology" and consists of randomly inserting genetic fragments of DNA from one organism to another, usually from a different species. For example, an artificial combination of genes that includes a gene to produce the pesticide Cry1Ab protein (commonly known as Bt toxin), originally found in Bacillus thuringiensis, is inserted in to the DNA of corn randomly. Both the location of the transferred gene sequence in the corn DNA and the consequences of the insertion differ with each insertion. The plant cells that have taken up the inserted gene are then grown in a lab using tissue culture and/or nutrient medium that allows them to develop into plants that are used to grow GM food crops.2

Natural breeding processes have been safely utilized for the past several thousand years. In contrast, "GE crop technology abrogates natural reproductive processes, selection occurs at the single cell level, the procedure is highly mutagenic and routinely breeches genera barriers, and the technique has only been used commercially for 10 years."3


Despite these differences, safety assessment of GM foods has been based on the idea of "substantial equivalence" such that "if a new food is found to be substantially equivalent in composition and nutritional characteristics to an existing food, it can be regarded as safe as the conventional food."4 However, several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food consumption including infertility, immune dysregulation, accelerated aging, dysregulation of genes associated with cholesterol synthesis, insulin regulation, cell signaling, and protein formation, and changes in the liver, kidney, spleen and gastrointestinal system.


There is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects. There is causation as defined by Hill's Criteria in the areas of strength of association, consistency, specificity, biological gradient, and biological plausibility.5 The strength of association and consistency between GM foods and disease is confirmed in several animal studies.2,6,7,8,9,10,11


Specificity of the association of GM foods and specific disease processes is also supported. Multiple animal studies show significant immune dysregulation, including upregulation of cytokines associated with asthma, allergy, and inflammation. 6,11 Animal studies also show altered structure and function of the liver, including altered lipid and carbohydrate metabolism as well as cellular changes that could lead to accelerated aging and possibly lead to the accumulation of reactive oxygen species (ROS). 7,8,10 Changes in the kidney, pancreas and spleen have also been documented. 6,8,10 A recent 2008 study links GM corn with infertility, showing a significant decrease in offspring over time and significantly lower litter weight in mice fed GM corn.8 This study also found that over 400 genes were found to be expressed differently in the mice fed GM corn. These are genes known to control protein synthesis and modification, cell signaling, cholesterol synthesis, and insulin regulation. Studies also show intestinal damage in animals fed GM foods, including proliferative cell growth9 and disruption of the intestinal immune system.6


Regarding biological gradient, one study, done by Kroghsbo, et al., has shown that rats fed transgenic Bt rice trended to a dose related response for Bt specific IgA. 11


Also, because of the mounting data, it is biologically plausible for Genetically Modified Foods to cause adverse health effects in humans.


In spite of this risk, the biotechnology industry claims that GM foods can feed the world through production of higher crop yields. However, a recent report by the Union of Concerned Scientists reviewed 12 academic studies and indicates otherwise: "The several thousand field trials over the last 20 years for genes aimed at increasing operational or intrinsic yield (of crops) indicate a significant undertaking. Yet none of these field trials have resulted in increased yield in commercialized major food/feed crops, with the exception of Bt corn."12 However, it was further stated that this increase is largely due to traditional breeding improvements.


Therefore, because GM foods pose a serious health risk in the areas of toxicology, allergy and immune function, reproductive health, and metabolic, physiologic and genetic health and are without benefit, the AAEM believes that it is imperative to adopt the precautionary principle, which is one of the main regulatory tools of the European Union environmental and health policy and serves as a foundation for several international agreements.13 The most commonly used definition is from the 1992 Rio Declaration that states: "In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities. Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be used as a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent environmental degradation."13


Another often used definition originated from an environmental meeting in the United States in 1998 stating: "When an activity raises threats to the environment or human health, precautionary measures should be taken, even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically. In this context, the proponent of an activity, rather than the public, should bear the burden of proof (of the safety of the activity)."13


With the precautionary principle in mind, because GM foods have not been properly tested for human consumption, and because there is ample evidence of probable harm, the AAEM asks:


*Physicians to educate their patients, the medical community, and the public to avoid GM foods when possible and provide educational materials concerning GM foods and health risks.

*Physicians to consider the possible role of GM foods in the disease processes of the patients they treat and to document any changes in patient health when changing from GM food to non-GM food.

*Our members, the medical community, and the independent scientific community to gather case studies potentially related to GM food consumption and health effects, begin epidemiological research to investigate the role of GM foods on human health, and conduct safe methods of determining the effect of GM foods on human health.

*For a moratorium on GM food, implementation of immediate long term independent safety testing, and labeling of GM foods, which is necessary for the health and safety of consumers.


(This statement was reviewed and approved by the Executive Committee of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine on May 8, 2009.)

Submitted by Amy Dean, D.O. and Jennifer Armstrong, M.D.

Bibliography: Genetically Modified Foods Position Paper AAEM [available at the site]

This is one of many informative posts that lay out consequences and what happens to the human body from Genetically Modified Foods aka Franken Food. Just wanted to bump this up so others may find information to go by.
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« Reply #879 on: January 21, 2010, 12:51:55 PM »

I hear you, JJ, and will try to post any independently peer-reviewed safety studies I find.  I have some more info that just needs organizing--and my thoughts are pretty scattered today. 

I just found this on the AP:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27982669/

Food crunch opens doors to bioengineered crops
By ELAINE KURTENBACH

 Sun., Nov. 30, 2008

KUNMING, China - Zeng Yawen's outdoor laboratory in the terraced hills of southern China is a trove of genetic potential — rice that thrives in unusually cool temperatures, high altitudes or in dry soil; rice rich in calcium, vitamins or iron.

"See these plants? They can tolerate the cold," Zeng says as he walks through a checkerboard of test fields sown with different rice varieties on the outskirts of Kunming, capital of southwestern China's Yunnan province.

"We can extract the cold-tolerant gene from this plant and use it in a genetically manipulated variety to improve its cold tolerance," Zeng says.

Many researchers believe such methods are essential for a second "green revolution," now that the gains from the first, in the mid-20th century, are tapering off.

Bioengineered crops are widely grown in Canada, Argentina and the U.S., where nearly all soybeans, most cotton and a growing proportion of corn are designed for tolerance to herbicides or resistance to insects. A virus-resistant GM variety of papaya is commercially grown in Hawaii and China.

After delaying the long-expected commercialization of GM grains for years, China's leaders in July endorsed a 13-year, $2.9 billion program to promote use of genetically altered crops and livestock. Beijing is on the verge of releasing an insect-resistant rice variety, Zeigler said.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is a champion of the new agriculture.

"I strongly advocate making great efforts to pursue transgenic engineering. The recent food shortages around the world have further strengthened that belief," Wen recently told Science magazine.

He praised the benefits — higher farm incomes and reduced use of pesticides — from widespread use of so-called Bt cotton engineered to prevent bollworm infestations.

Last month, Brazil's National Biosafety Commission approved two new varieties of genetically modified corn seeds, after giving the green light two years ago for GM varieties of soybeans. India has followed China's example, tripling acreage of GM cotton, the only bioengineered crop it allows.

European countries face growing pressure, under World Trade Organization rules, to open their markets to GM products. Many among the EU's 27 member nations remain wary and, backed by consumers opposed to what some call "Franken-foods," are fighting to keep genetically altered crops out of their fields and supermarkets.

"Why should we change what nature has given us, when it is everything we need?" asked Filippo De Angelis, selling newspapers at a kiosk in Rome. "I don't think we can solve the problem of world hunger through genetics."

Even in China, despite its hefty investments in the research, few are familiar with genetic modification. Some who have heard of it remain cautious.

"It's impossible to know if it's harmful to the body," said Zheng Wencai, a retired architect in Kunming shopping for soybeans in a downtown market.

Besides papayas, China allows farmers to grow GM varieties of green peppers and tomatoes, along with several nonfood crops. But genetically modified rice and wheat are still in field tests.

[I would like to interject here that Bt63 has already contaminated non-gm rice stocks and exports as of 2007, causing the EU and other nations to reject Chinese rice.]

Those test facilities are kept under high security, both to prevent contamination of non-GM crops and to protect the country's own GM technology. Beijing seems determined not to cede its potentially huge local markets to big agribusinesses like the U.S. company Monsanto and Switzerland's Sygenta AG.
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Many of the points presented here as fact are very controversial, including reduced pesticide use and  higher yields.  Statistics supporting this, even those from USDA, are not referenced.  Notice that none of the studies that demonstrate health risks are even mentioned--only "lingering doubts."   I don't feel this article is very comprehensive in it's investigation.  What is the benefit of growing more food that is potentially unsafe and and more expensive?  This is all the general public hears from mainstream media.



While reading over this post caught the fact that melaland grows papayas, green peppers and tomatoes along with other non-food items. Now I know why I always put back on the shelf anything that is from that region no matter what it is in the food aisle. Could this be more lethal in the long run that the linings of the cans - combine them together and what is created then?
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« Reply #880 on: January 21, 2010, 01:17:24 PM »

You know, JJ, that as little testing as possible is being done by design. So the real nature of GMO modified food won't be
written until that testing is really done by independent researchers, who presently can't get the funding it seems at least
in this country.
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« Reply #881 on: January 21, 2010, 08:46:31 PM »

3cats its not getting the funding. Mobsanto won't let independent's test their stuff. I do not remember what site it is on but that is the fact. One has to go by their testing, its that or nothing.
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« Reply #882 on: February 04, 2010, 05:37:08 PM »

Mad-cow proteins created in the lab

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/01/29/tech-prion-disease.html

Scientists have firmed up the evidence that misshapen protein are responsible for brain wasting diseases by showing how these infectious prions are created.

Researchers from the United States and China have artificially created a disease-causing using proteins from mice.

Please read rest of story at the link. Do not like the sound of this at all.
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« Reply #883 on: February 05, 2010, 11:53:08 PM »

>>>>>  In vitro meat's evolution <<<<<

With the meat industry's demands on the environment multiplying, New Harvest's Jason Matheny says we're getting closer to creating a processed product that will have significantly less impact.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-bx-science-meat27-2010jan27%C0%2C7825372.story   

Full story at the link. Says in it that once we get over the YUCK factor and this stuff will not contain any bones. For those that love their BBQ grills, picnics, 4th of july BBQ's w/friend and family - this would not go over very well. What about homemade soup - with  no chicken bones to give the soup the flavor from the marrow - wouldn't fly with myself as well as others who look forward to that first stock pot of soup when the air is crisp and the aroma of the soup fills the house  with its inviting taste.
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« Reply #884 on: February 09, 2010, 09:42:12 PM »

Health Topic - Monsanto's GMO Perversion of Food

In the 2010 growing season Monsanto plans to unleash its latest Frankenfood experiment on the American and Canadian public, a new version of genetically mutated corn with eight abnormal gene traits called Genuity SmartStax corn. It is the culmination of an outstanding scandal that has been steadily building over the  past decade. During this time Monsanto's mutated seeds have grown to 90% of the US soy crop and 85% of the corn crop - and wheat is next on their agenda. Their efforts have been marked by corporate bullying and have drawn the attention of the Justice Department who is conducting an antitrust investigation. All the while they have been spending millions on lobbying to fast track their agenda before the American public even realizes what hit them. Monsanto is making an ominous power play to corner the worldwide market on food and seeds.

Few people would eat Monsanto's "food" if the understood what it was or knew that they were eating it. Even a Monsanto employee cafeteria rejected it. This is no laughing matter. Your health and the health of your children and grandchildren are at stake. It seems more like a scene from a horror flick than something happening in modern day America. Imagine your digestive tract turned  into a Roundup Ready herbicide factory and other warped genetic signals slowly and progressively rotting away your health. Unlike acute food poisoning from E.coli, it is a slow and insidious poisoning.

Why GMO Food is Dangerous -

Monsanto's GMO (genetically modified organism) technology inserts non-food genes, genes from other species, into the DNA of food, altering the very nature of food itself. In some cases the genes make the crops more tolerant of to the Roundup Ready herbicide made by Monsanto and in other cases the genes abnormally cause the DNA of food cells to produce toxic proteins that act as pesticides.

Most people are not comfortable with the concept of altering the nature of food in a grand genetic experiment with unknown consequences. The idea of food producing its own internal toxin is equally abhorrent. After all, who wants to eat toxic food?

To read more.....

http://newswithviews.com/Richards/byron189.htm
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