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« on: June 20, 2007, 12:31:02 AM »

Goodbye Dolly, Hello Synthia. Venture Institute Seeks Monopoly Patents on the World's First-Ever Human-Made Life Form 

We can't let this go forward or even come to fruition. Complete story at:

http://www.etcgroup.org/en/materials/publications.html?pub_id=631
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 04:16:15 AM »

Ugh. "Since the research was partially funded by the US Department of Energy, the US government will hold "certain rights" to the patent, if approved."
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 08:45:41 AM »

Biohacking. Synthetic biology. Geez, genetics has come a long way since I studied molecular biology back before dirt was invented. Blade Runner indeed.

"In 2000, Elowitz (at MIT) had described a small circuit he'd engineered into E. coli that consisted of three so-called repressor genes rhythmically turning one another on and off. Tie a fluorescent protein to one of those genes and you get bacteria that flash like fireflies. Elowitz called his system a repressilator - an oscillator made of repressors. The IAP students studied it, admired its simplicity, and convinced themselves that, as MIT's crack studbunnies of geekdom, they'd be able to do something cooler yet. They designed several circuits that were more sophisticated and, in principle, more stable. Then they sent their designs to Blue Heron to be synthesized.

The result is a library of standardized parts, much like the transistors, capacitors, and resistors of electronics, with a standard kind of signal to run through them. That is, synthetic biology is approaching the sophistication of a child's first electronics kit.

There are dangers in such power. The first dramatic demonstration of DNA synthesis was the creation of a polio virus, assembled in 2002 by researchers at SUNY Stony Brook. The event itself wasn't especially worrisome; if a terrorist wanted to obtain polio, a few easily purchased doses of live vaccine would be a much easier starting point. It was, however, a vivid illustration of challenges to come. Blue Heron and its competitors check every sequence they're asked to make against the genomes of all known pathogens. But what if people find ways to create nasty life-forms unlike anything in nature, whose capacity for hurt looks like nothing seen before?

The best defense against rogues and evildoers, Endy says, is a community of technologists committed to finding ways to thwart them, bigger and better-resourced than the Dark Side could ever be. He believes in an open source approach to the task of programming life, modeled explicitly on the open source approach to programming computers, long popular at MIT. This ethos might also defend against implementations that are simply inept, rather than malicious, but nonetheless capable of great harm. As Endy (at MIT) points out, do you really want staple crops fitted with proprietary programming as secure as, say, Windows 95?

Imagine typing all the three-letter words of a bacterial genome in a text editor and changing all uses of the four less common words for arginine to the two most common. This would preserve the meaning of every gene while giving you four spare words. Presumably you could reassign them to new amino acids - amino acids that living creatures have never used before. This may sound far out, but it has already been done. Scientists at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, have modified a bacterium to read a word that normally means "stop making protein" as "add a weird amino acid here."

Rather than just listening to what nature chooses to tell us, we can now ask questions in nature's native tongue and compel it to reply."

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.01/mit.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_Biology

http://syntheticbiology.org/

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2007, 09:38:37 AM »

OK, one more. Some of these folks sound like well-meaning geeks (probably a lot of the Mutanto scientists are like that). Some, like the patenters, are just downright evil businesspeople.

A nice overview of synthetic biology from The Economist:

"Dr Endy, who works at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, came to the subject from engineering, not biology. As an engineer, he can recognise a kludge when he sees one. And life, in his opinion, is a kludge.

No intelligent designer would have put the genomes of living organisms together in the way that evolution has. Some parts overlap, meaning that they cannot change jobs independently of one another. Others have lost their function but have not been removed, so they simply clutter things up. And there is no sense of organisation or hierarchy. That is because, unlike an engineer, evolution cannot go back to the drawing board, it can merely play with what already exists. Biologists, who seek merely to understand how life works, accept this. Engineers such as Dr Endy, who wish to change the way it works, do not. They want to start again."

http://tinyurl.com/yqwy77
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 04:00:01 PM »

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Some, like the patenters, are just downright evil businesspeople.

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This is friggin nuts. A bacteria of all things, and then when it gets loose and mutates and we have no immunities to it, then does the plague come. This reminds me of another bad sci-fi film.

Here we are back into risk assessment, is the ultimate value of this new life form worth the risk? How much good will it do compared to how much damage?

I swear some of these engineers/scientists are just friggin looney.

What next ..... You know I am not going to give them any ideas.

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 04:30:19 PM »

You know that every one of these foreign critters that we are having problems with in the US have ESCPAPED FROM RESEARCH LABS. Every friggin one of them, killer bees, fire ants, african roaches, asian long horn beetles (well they actually came in on shipping crates from china), etc have been studied and then escaped from the labs.

What is wrong with these people, the article even states that these things can be turned into biological warfare.

aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 05:35:17 PM »

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Can you imagine what this would do to the ecosystem if they got loose?

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See my above post for how all these things get into the environment, they inevitabily get loose.
The introduction of all kinds of species into new environments by man has always been a disaster. The mongoose in Hawaii is a prime example, brought in to keep the snake population down, they destroyed the snakes, then the lizards, then the birds.

Genetic mice can mate with the regular ones so then do we end up with super mice??

And what makes you think they haven't cloned a human yet, just haven't published it yet because it is still illegal, but I am sure there are some little clonettes running around out there already. Just wait until it becomes legal and watch how long it takes for the first one.

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 06:30:14 PM »

So far, no transgenics that I could find on eBay but it's only a matter of time. They'll be trading them on the net.

There is a repository of biological components that starts to catalog what's been developed. And there's a competition every year for university students to develop something biosynthetic. Last year, I think some Eastern European country won the prize for an organism that combats sepsis. You log on, choose from the bio components, then you build the thing.

With apologies to all the engineers who are posting here, I went out with one once, and I've worked with many. Really nice guys, most of them, and good catches. But the occasional one will say something like "everything is a process" and "life is a kludge that needs to be simplified".

By comparison, we are not only Luddites but living in some spiritual head-space far distant from Reality, where we somehow think life is more sacred than that.

And that some of these geeks don't have a clue!
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 07:17:18 PM »



Replicant (F) Des: PRIS

NEXUS-6 N6FAB21416

Incept Date: 14 FEB., 2016

Func: Military/Leisure

Phys: LEV. A
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2007, 07:44:03 PM »

Klondike I ditched the photos of the engineer and the economist but kept photos of the computer scientist who specialized in artificial intelligence. Go figure. He is kinda human, like us over-the-top blogger activists.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2007, 08:31:00 PM »

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Just roughing out my new sci-fi novel.

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Someone already beat you to it, think it was the 12 monkeys wasn't it with Bruce Willis, I think there were a few others to, like the Island of Dr Moreau. So nothing new here, but it was just movies, not real life.

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2007, 09:23:16 PM »

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You really should warn us before posting something like that, I almost jumped out of the chair. I clik on the link and poof this scary picture comes up of greenspan I think and shiba, isn't that her??

greenspan scary not shiba

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2007, 07:01:31 AM »

Klondike, Dingbat He was so ... dangerous, you know?
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2007, 04:54:52 PM »

Klondike Where is a forensic economist when we need one?
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2007, 11:49:08 AM »

Goodbye Dolly, Hello Synthia. Venture Institute Seeks Monopoly Patents on the World's First-Ever Human-Made Life Form  Complete story at:

http://www.etcgroup.org/en/materials/publications.html?pub_id=631

Hi All,

I received an email from the ETC Group with an update to "Venter Institute Seeks Patent on Synthetic Life-Form Good-bye, Dolly...Hello, Synthia!" that reads in part:

The G(e)nomes of Zurich: Civil Society Calls for Urgent Controls on Synthetic Life states that this, "attempts to build synthetic life forms". Synthetic biologists contend that all the parts of life can be made synthetically (that is, by chemistry) and then engineered together in the laboratory to produce “living machines” – fully working organisms programmed for particular tasks."

And, if that is not scary enough, the article reveals there is not a regulatory agency for such technology.
 
“Once more a new technology is storming ahead with no government or international body able to regulate or control it,” says biologist Florianne Koechlin from SAG (the Swiss Working Group on Gene Technology). “Once more we hear from the scientific community, supported by industry and the military, that they have life under control and will soon be able to construct it." 

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the very first complacent, do whatever the government/military/organization says to do, human clone could be born in a petri dish in a few weeks and he, she or it could very well be part and parcel to Craig Venter's institute which filed "US patent application no. 20070122826, entitled “Minimal bacterial genome,” claims monopoly ownership of a “free-living organism that can grow and replicate” whose genome (full genetic information) has been built entirely through mechanical means."

The rest of the emailed article can be found at the ETC Group. http://www.etcgroup.org/en/

Scientists are meeting this very week in Zurich to discuss the latest developments in this field of genetic engineering.  This is indeed out of control, out of the normal, and a flagrant display of technological abuse, as I see it.  I concur, this should not and cannot go further, but it looks like it already got its "seal of approval".

The ETC Group is one hell of an organization and I highly suggest signing up for their emails.  You will not be disappointed with their deliveries.

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