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« on: February 17, 2008, 08:21:04 PM »

Hopefully everyone already has a few weeks of supplies put aside for local, short term natural disasters.  But has anyone done anything to prepare for long term shortages? 

This may sound like a really paranoid thread & post, but I really worry about being able to feed myself & pets over a long time period if we have some kind of economic collapse.  Canned food only keeps a few years, but that works well if you can rotate them to make sure they stay fresh.  JJ also brought up the good point on another thread about how do you cook food when the power goes out. 

Here are a few websites I've been looking at to get ideas for food storage & cooking.  I haven't tried any of these, they are just the first ones I ran across in researching this.  There are a number of other sites offering similar products.

MRE's - I'm looking at the freeze dried rice, veggies & meats (for the pets) on here, good up to 25 years.  A few of the 'meals' look OK, but most have too much junk in them, or meat.  They also have buckets & oxygen removal packs for storing your own food like grains & pasta, and some nitro packed gardens seeds (seeds rarely stay viable after a few years of storage):

http://www.nitro-pak.com/

I found this one while looking up sprout info - they offer sprouting seeds in nitro packs of different sizes that keep for a long time.  You can also grind the grain for flour & grow some of the seeds for crops.  I like the idea of having some fresh food by making sprouts -

http://www.wheatgrasskits.com/sprouting/bulk_sprouting_seed.htm

This has some good info on solar cookers & the cool little rocket stove which uses sticks for cooking fires:

http://www.inthewake.org/b1cooking.html

And then there are things like water purifiers, matches, candles, etc. that are important to have.  Knowledge of local edible plants, fishing tackle, hunting gear if you can deal with killing things. 

A big part of me thinks it would all be futile since everyone would be ripping each other's food supply off, but guess it wouldn't hurt to think about stocking up. 
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 08:26:33 PM »

Oops, sorry for putting this in politics, didn't realize I was in that subcategory!
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 08:28:31 PM »

Supply of any medications your family/pets need on a regular basis.

Has anybody tried MREs?  How do they taste?

Water.  I have a well, but will need a generator to pump water and gasoline to fuel the generator.  Bottled water has I think a 1-year shelf-life.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 08:29:25 PM »

Oops, sorry for putting this in politics, didn't realize I was in that subcategory!

LOL.  I try to stay away from politics as much as I can.   Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 08:36:39 PM »

Oh yes, meds & first aid supplies.  People in the Alaska bush have hard core first aid supplies like sutures, lidocaine & antibiotics since they can't get to the local medical center, but I have no idea where you get that kind of stuff.  Maybe that glue for wounds would be good.

I imagine however bad MRE's taste, you might not care if it's the only food  Grin

For a well pump, you have to get at least a 3000kw generator, which is expensive (had to buy one of these before).  I guess you can stockpile fuels too.  People in dry areas often collect rainwater from their roofs, apparently you can get quite a bit that way but you have to have a big tank to store it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 08:42:57 PM »

Watch some episodes of Survivor Man/Man Against the Wild.  They eat bugs and all sorts of gross, gusty things.  yewwww.

3000 kw?  Haven't looked into one yet, but always intend to when the power goes out.  procrastination
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 08:43:37 PM »

Well any Y2K nuts out there already have this well in hand. I personally believe that you should have water and food stored for any kind of disaster, whether natural disaster or socio/economic problems.

Especially those of us in the country, well and septic, all electric homes, should have a barrel or 2 of water, lots of canned stuff, the dried kind that can last 15 years, grains, mill, pretty much covers it. Propane stove with about 20 cans of propane for cooking and an electric generator.

Also if you have some room to plant, some legacy or heirloom seeds are good too.

That should cover you both short and long term.

good luck

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 08:47:17 PM »

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For a well pump, you have to get at least a 3000kw generator, which is expensive

petslave

not really can pick one up for $500, gas, portable, but you will need an electrician to connect it to a breaker in the breaker box. I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT RECOMMEND DOING THAT YOURSELF UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. MAKES BIG BOOM

Have on here, can connect it to the box if needed otherwise if the power is out I drag it out and plug the refers in for an hour each and keep them closed.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 08:47:40 PM »

Yikes.  no electricity, no flushie.  

the dried kind that can last 15 years

Dried kind of canned?  What is that db?
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 10:09:46 PM »

Maybe the dried canned is the like the nitro pack freeze dried stuff, it comes in cans.

You will need the big generator for the well pump, may be able to get one used for $500, but we bought ours new (Honda, good generators) & it cost a lot more than that.  The well pumps draw tons of electricity.  An electrician can tell you what size to get for your particular pump.  I bought a piece of property many years ago with my boyfriend at the time & we homesteaded on it for 3.5 years off grid.  We had a regular drilled well & pump put in after the first year & the guy that installed it told us what we needed & wired it to a plug with breaker since we didn't have standard elec power.  We then plugged it into the generator.  One year we had a bad snow & ice storm & power was out for days, so all the neighbors came over to get water from us. 

All the appliances were propane - fridge, stove & water heater, plus Aladdin kerosene lamps & wood stove for heat.  I worked in a fancy architectural office so it was quite the contrast between the 2 worlds, an interesting period in my life!
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2008, 08:03:41 AM »

See, I wish We could all find that perfect spot where We could live and help each other out.
Also, if You know anyone who lived through the depression they know a lot of things like this.
I hope I'm making sense. We had tornados all around us last night, and We didn't get much sleep.
Anyway, I learned a lot after hurricane Isabel. we were out of power for over 2 weeks and it wasn't expected. One thing was, make sure the pets have plenty to eat. We couldn't get off our road, and I was not prepared for that amount of time. as soon as someone could get through, they brought Me food for the animals. Because another thing that happened was there was no food at the grocery stores. they , no one, had power so they had to throw everything out. And all roads being closed they couldn't get any food into town. We had a grill and did all our cooking on that. No hot showers etc. We always said We would get a generator.Haven't yet.
The MRIs  aren't too bad. I had one once, and I'm a very picky eater.
I don't know how we could stock up on all our meds. and meds. for the pets??
I'll be back with more helpful info in a bit.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 08:26:06 AM »

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Dried kind of canned?  What is that db?

Dried foods, in cans. Veggies, powders etc. can be purchased over the internet, look for dried foods. forget the name on the can but the stuff lasts for 15 years. Just add water, not bad really either.

Picked up a generator some years ago, living in ILL, power used to go out all the time, used it regularly. Out here the power has only been out once for a few hours, otherwise it isn't bad. We do get a lot of spikes though, had to get a battery backup for the PC, almost blew out the whole thing one day. Happens a lot here, would recommend that everyone get one, about $50, just plug in the PC, not the monitor, if the power goes out then at least you have some time to shut it down without losing everything. Of course you have to plug the monitor in but just for enough time to shut everything down.

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 09:03:07 AM »

Trudy, glad you made it through the 2 weeks in one piece!  My parents went through that with Hurricane Hugo years ago in SC.  Luckily they had warning & got stocked up, filled the bathtub up etc.  All it takes is a few days without power or access to stores to see how dependent we are on constant inputs from the modern systems.  We get frequent short power outages where I am now, 2 days at most, so I'm used to dealing with short term shutdowns.  I always laugh at how I keep flipping on light switches during a power outage to light up a room.  The phone rarely goes out during the power outages, so with my laptop & dialup, I can still connect up for brief periods until the power goes out.

My real worry is feeding the pets long term.  Dry food doesn't stay good for more than 6 months & I'm not feeding it at all now, so it would be very expensive to buy a dozen 30 lb bags of dry food & not use them before they expired.  Canned food & honest kitchen, which keeps a year, seem like the only answers I've come up with.  One MRE website had dry dog food nitro packed, but lord knows what brand it was, didn't even list the ingredients, just said premium food.  I can't seem to find it now, maybe hit by the recall.

I was watching a BBC video last week & it said during the first 4 days of WWII in England, 400,000 people had their pets destroyed because of the fear they wouldn't be able to feed them.  How terrible.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2008, 09:19:20 AM »

Thank You. At least it was warm weather. I could never destroy My pets, and i have many.
I would never shoot a deer but it came down to it, We would have to. there are plenty right here.
Also, don't forget -There could come a time We can not get any gas at all.
No rations, just nothing.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 09:42:43 AM »

Exactly, which is why I'm thinking about all this, but at the same time, thinking it's just too overwhelming to try to figure it all out.  Plus very expensive to put away enough food for several years.  And if you do stock up, there will probably be someone out there trying to take it away from you if all supplies becomes scarce.  One website I was looking at discussed how to store food in barrels out in the woods underground to protect your supply.  That's the kind of thing that makes me just want to say, what's the point.  I can't see me defending my food cache from dozens of hooligans raiding the countryside.

Still have to make a try at it though, if only for the pets!
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