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straybaby
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« on: November 11, 2008, 02:27:11 PM » |
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Okay, I thought it was absurd when I heard they had banned scarves at this HS. (It's scarf weather!!!) But then I get to the end of the article and find out they can't wear jackets either!!!  WTF?! I'd be in so much trouble if I went to that school! "It's the latest fashion trend, everyone is wearing them, it's really in season," added Smith. "Other kids were wearing them to stay warm because we're not allowed to wear jackets." http://wcbstv.com/watercooler/valley.central.scarves.2.861854.htmlJust googled their weather as they are farther north than me: TODAY - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. TONIGHT - Mostly clear in the evening - then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. WEDNESDAY - Mostly sunny in the morning - increasing clouds in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds around 5 mph - becoming southwest around 5 mph in the afternoon.
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Bridgett
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 03:49:15 PM » |
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So when our kids catch cold from not being able to wear scarves or jackets, who do we sue?
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trudy1
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 04:43:31 PM » |
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This is a hard thing to think about. Kids should be able to keep warm. I know in Virginia the kids can't wear certain colored scarves, and certain jackets. Because to some it's gang related, and some kids can even get killed for their choice of jackets, or sneakers. It has happened here. But they have to be able to wear outer clothes, just not certain colors. I wonder if that's what it's about  We live in a strange world 
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The Greatness Of A Nation And It's Moral Progress Can Be Judged By The Way It's Animals Are Treated-Gandhi
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008, 04:52:58 PM » |
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I think maybe they mean that the kids just can't wear scarves and jackets in the school building and in the classrooms all day, not that they can't wear them to and from school. I think that the not wearing jackets in the building has something to do with not being able to hide anything in the jackets or the pockets of the jacket. It is a sad commentary, actually, that these rules have to be made, but there has been a certain element in the school community that have done things to make it necessary, and the innocent also have to suffer the consequences.
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trudy1
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 05:39:40 PM » |
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It is so unfortunate that all this is going on. But We now have the bloods and crips here [Didn't they come from Ca.? ] So sad.
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The Greatness Of A Nation And It's Moral Progress Can Be Judged By The Way It's Animals Are Treated-Gandhi
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 06:16:31 PM » |
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Our middle schools here do not allow students to wear jackets inside the school. They have to put them in their lockers during the day. They give a variety of reasons, mostly they say they are a distaction  It doesn't make any sense being that they can wear them in the elementary schools and high schools. Also, the last week of school each year no student is allowed to bring any type of bag, whether it is gym bag, satchel, book bags, etc. to school. They are that afraid of weapons being hidden on the students. During that time all girls must have their purses searched or they are prohibited from carrying them on school property. It is such a different world than when I went to school.......absolutely scary.
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catmom5
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 06:25:47 PM » |
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As a retired teacher, I can vouch for the changes in today's schools. No bags is for the protection of everyone. Some students bring weapons, shaving cream, eggs, things to "celebrate" the end of the school year. I know that some dress codes/restrictions are to deal with gangs, too. Very, very sad situation!
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straybaby
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 07:22:50 PM » |
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I understand the "hiding things in jackets", but either get metal detectors and/or keep the classrooms warm enough. And make scarves ok except certain colors if there are gang issues. No kid should have to be cold in class, or have a cold neck. It was the extreme of the ban that got me along with not being able to wear a jacket/scarf if they're cold. I've had to sit in cold rooms, but not everyday for so many hours a day. Unless I've been given a cold office. In that case, I complain until they get the heat fixed and I've always had the option of adding more clothes. It just seems wrong that a kid can't. What are they going to ban next? Bulky sweaters? How about dealing with the gun/gang issue instead of clothing bans? The HS across the street from me used to be one of the worse. Thanks to Bloomberg it has improved a lot over the past few years. Now they have broken it into charter schools. Same kids, but different vibe. Past and present, they have rules about going in and out. Go in through certain doors, can't leave once in etc. They have metal detectors and on site security. One of the charters (maybe all now) has uniforms. Casual Gap style. The cops haven't shown up there much since the city started giving a damn. Used to be a common occurrence. Smaller classes, more interaction/interest on the part of the teachers/students, respect and a good learning experience goes a long way. The communities also need more support. The Pastor we give our extra CSA distribution to brings rival gang members together, feeds families that need help etc. Although, the students they interviewed at the school didn't seem to be a product of poor 'hoods and gangs, if there's a fear there, they should deal with the core issue, not ban clothes. (IMNSHO  )
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catmom5
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2008, 05:15:12 AM » |
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Unfortunately we are not all lucky enough to have administration that will do what really needs to be done. It's truly a sad state of affairs in many schools right now. There are a lot of good people who are trying hard to make a difference.
In one of the city high schools where I live, the security (rent a cop) is worse than some of the kids. They are bullies and very disrespectful to many of the students. It just creates more adversarial relationships.
I'd sure like to see things change . . .
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straybaby
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2008, 01:02:05 PM » |
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It's amazing that you should even have to type that. Really sad state we've gotten to. I don't have kids, but if I'm still in NYC when Bloomberg runs again, I'll stand in line because he truly does care about the schools and the city overall. I'm sure there's some ego involved, but it's the right kinda ego, not a political one. Putting band aids on the school/gang issues (banning clothes) is just pathetic. Communities care just as much as parents do about schools/education/safety. If administrations would really realize that, they would have far more support and be much more effective.
The security across the street has a pretty good relationship with the kids. You always see them interacting and laughing etc. Even before the school started going through improvements. Many have been there for a good 7 yrs or more. Most I hear from them is reminding the kids to "keep it moving, you know the rules!" when they congregate in large groups around the school.
I'll never get why we don't put a higher priority on our future. And that includes infrastructure etc. Isn't that supposed to be the American Dream?
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2008, 12:16:49 PM » |
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straybaby, where I live the "American Dream" has turned into a living American nightmare in our public schools. It's so different from when I went to school it seems foreign. Makes me feel as if I've lived too long at times. I would post some of the things that I know for certain are going on but it isn't fit for forum reading!  What I know should or would be censored for sex, drugs, violence and starting in early grades.
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