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Author Topic: What's Killing Our Pets? Are There Toxins In Pet Food? Poor Nutrients?  (Read 31783 times)
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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2007, 08:31:45 PM »

actually, for the fats & flavors, it looks like the mixers are becoming the hot new item:

http://www.feedcompounder.com/showpets.htm

"With the Pegasus® Paddle Mixer from Dinnissen, a fixed and precisely weighed quantity of food is introduced into the sealed batch coater, where - in contrast to continuous operation systems - the entire process takes place: liquid and dry palatability enhancers are added to the kibbles. This has the great advantage of allowing very precise control of the optimum conditions needed for the entire process. For each batch, the exact quantity of fat, liquid and dry palatability enhancers needed can be weighed out and added, and the process conditions - including temperature, kibble rotation speed, residence time of the food in the mixer, and total processing time – can be precisely controlled. The result: an extremely precise and even distribution of the palatability enhancers over the product. In addition, the strength of the bond between the palatability enhancer and the kibble can be optimized, and each individual kibble can be coated with a tough protective layer to ensure that the palatability enhancers also remain intact during transport. The palatability and appeal of the food is therefore significantly improved, and the food is much more readily consumed."

if you add the vacuum coater, it gets even better:

"...equip the Pegasus® Paddle Mixer with vacuum functionality by adding the Pegasus® Vacuum Coater, allowing producers to further upgrade the flexibility and quality of their production process. "This combination allows producers to ensure that liquid additives are sucked deep into the kibble. It also enables them to optimize the binding process between other additives and the outside of the kibble."

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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2007, 08:37:52 PM »

this makes it sound like they KNOW they are overdosing our pets on vitamins, & will just get around to fixing it when they figure out exactly how much they DO need:

"Besides the standard requirement for macro and trace minerals in the diet,
mineral nutrition can become an issue for dogs, and especially cats, if the animal is
predisposed to renal and (or) urinary tract diseases. Specifically, elimination of
excess dietary minerals by the pet can exacerbate conditions such as renal failure and urolithiases. For this reason, low ash, low magnesium, and low phosphate diets have been developed. This area will likely continue to evolve as we better understand the relationship between excess mineral nutrition and disease etiology."

(from the essential rendering pdf I've been quoting profusely from all week long)
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2007, 09:08:10 PM »

actually, for the fats & flavors, it looks like the mixers are becoming the hot new item:

http://www.feedcompounder.com/showpets.htm

"With the Pegasus® Paddle Mixer from Dinnissen, a fixed and precisely weighed quantity of food is introduced into the sealed batch coater, where - in contrast to continuous operation systems - the entire process takes place: liquid and dry palatability enhancers are added to the kibbles. This has the great advantage of allowing very precise control of the optimum conditions needed for the entire process. For each batch, the exact quantity of fat, liquid and dry palatability enhancers needed can be weighed out and added, and the process conditions - including temperature, kibble rotation speed, residence time of the food in the mixer, and total processing time – can be precisely controlled. The result: an extremely precise and even distribution of the palatability enhancers over the product. In addition, the strength of the bond between the palatability enhancer and the kibble can be optimized, and each individual kibble can be coated with a tough protective layer to ensure that the palatability enhancers also remain intact during transport. The palatability and appeal of the food is therefore significantly improved, and the food is much more readily consumed."

if you add the vacuum coater, it gets even better:

"...equip the Pegasus® Paddle Mixer with vacuum functionality by adding the Pegasus® Vacuum Coater, allowing producers to further upgrade the flexibility and quality of their production process. "This combination allows producers to ensure that liquid additives are sucked deep into the kibble. It also enables them to optimize the binding process between other additives and the outside of the kibble."


petslave, very good find.  Now I have to wonder exactly what ingredients compose the "liquid and dry palatability enhancers" and "tough protective layers" and where we could find out; but it probably differs from manufacturer to manufacturer.

The commercial pet food is so processed in order to "design" a food, or "simulate" a pet's natural diet.  What if we ate our human foods out of a bag and/or can of processed leftovers every day?  After learning as much as I have over the past few months now, I personally can only choose a raw or homemade diet as the only safe choice.
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« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2007, 11:56:14 PM »

   Most pet foods are sprayed with rendered or refined animal fats, restaurant grease or other oils considered unfit for human consumption. Animal fats are used for dog foods and fish oils for cat foods to make an otherwise bland food more tasty to the animal. The fats also act as a binding agent to which manufacturers may add other flavor enhancers. Also in this excerpt from  Ann Martins book "Foods Pets Die For" she explains that most vitamins are added as a premix, and if there is a mistake in the premix, it can throw off the entire balance of the food. The wrong calcium/magnesium levels can cause neuromuscular problems. When Ann Martin had pet foods tested for her court case, most of the minerals showed up in excess levels. This causes me to wonder whether the amounts of vitamins and minerals added to pet foods are closely monitored. I would guess excessive vitamins and minerals added to the food could cause some sort of toxicity also?  http://www.organic-foods-mom.com/pet-foods.html
Laurie your exactly right. The fat comes from 55 gal drums that resturants dump their oil into when changing the oil their food is cooked in to a fresh batch of oil/fat/grease or whatever you want to call this stuff. These drums can then sit out  in all kinds of weather, hot, cold, etc. before they are taken to be processed with all kinds of chemicals to make them not rancid so they can then be sprayed onto the kibble that no animal would eat unless it was sprayed with this rendered/grease/oil/burnt up from cooking/then processed to be made not rancid/sprayed on kibble devoid of nutrition because it has been heated to such a degree to render any nutrition useless/then add this fat/grease to get the animal to eat it. YECH!! Ask yourselves - would you eat food (you call this kibble food?)  that  has been treated in this manner? I think not.
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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2007, 04:44:06 AM »

No I wouldn't want my pets eating that.  I've got my cats off almost all kibble, now the dogs are the problem.   Cry
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2007, 05:08:54 AM »

GMO technology may be advancing commercially to the point where companies are actually adding nutritional value (with risk). Everything I've read so far indicates that, other than a few vitamin varieties such as golden rice, GMO technology has basically focussed on making things pesticide or herbicide resistant, not surprisingly.

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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2007, 06:22:19 AM »

Way back when this all started I had a bag of Pur 1 sens systems tested. It had white crystals stuck to the food & loose in the bag. Of course I panicked, melamine is a white crystal.This was not  a normal amount; take out a scoop & it was 1/4 crystals. I had it tested at Expertox[thru Accutrace].It was Vit E. I did not pay for the test that would give exact amounts,but they told me it must have been accidently dumped on before cooking or before bagging & then exposed to high temps. Vit e is soft & clear. Expertox kept getting a reading of Vit e & when they checked their library of results it said vit e would turn white & crystalize due to high heat.So they exposed food grade vit e to high heat & sure enough it turned white & crystalized. Purina has had my sample since the middle of May & I have not heard back from them. Expertox ran the test multiple times & experimented with Vit E to be sure & I had their results in 8 days.Poor quality control or trying to make up for poor nutrition ?

Lesliek,

That's good to know about.  Do you have the lab report?  Would you post it here? 

Very easy for "the legions of the uninvolved" to ignore what's not right in front of them.

Thanks.

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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2007, 06:35:33 AM »

Lesliek's post makes me wonder.

Does anyone else have a similar experience?

How many pet owners have had food samples tested?

How many have lab reports?

The INNOVA thread is dealing with foreign matter, but maybe we could try to identify the other concerns here.

Got to say, though, that even without a lab report, the anecdotal information is helpful.  Much of "science" begins with anecdotes. 

The PET FOOD RECALL began with anecdotes.

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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2007, 06:38:52 AM »

5catmom- I will try to post it later. My daughter was in a motorcycle accident last night & her foot looks like it might be broken.I'll be in the er for god knows how long ! It just shows that it was neg for mel,etc & that the crystals were vit e. I didn't have the extra test done for exact amount.
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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2007, 06:42:25 AM »

lesliek,

Very sorry about your daughter's accident!  Hope the foot's not too bad.

No rush on the info, just when you can.

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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2007, 09:31:31 AM »

I think it's definitely good to worry about the everyday things they add to pet food, in addition to the mystery toxins.  Here's just a few instances from the API website:

http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1

Supplements:
In 2000, Iams recalled 248,000 pounds of dry dog food distributed in 7 states due to excess DL-Methionine Amino Acid, a urinary acidifier.

In the most deadly recall of 2006, 4 prescription canned dog and cat foods were recalled by Royal Canin (owned by Mars). The culprit was a serious overdose of Vitamin D that caused calcium deficiency and kidney disease.

moldy grains:
In 1995, Nature’s Recipe recalled almost a million pounds of dry dog and cat food after consumers complained that their pets were vomiting and losing their appetite. The problem was a fungus that produced vomitoxin contaminating the wheat.

In 1999, Doane Pet Care recalled more than a million bags of corn-based dry dog food contaminated with aflatoxin. Products included Ol’ Roy (Wal-Mart’s brand) and 53 other brands. This time, the toxin killed 25 dogs.

In late 2005, a similar recall by Diamond Foods was announced; this time the moldy corn contained a particularly nasty fungal product called aflatoxin; 100 dogs died.


Some of us that were looking at supplements, especially amino acids like lysine, found there is a lot of GM stuff going on there to manipulate bacteria to produce more of the ingredient they were looking for.  Then they sell the supplement as natural.  Patent info that gives the mfr. process & research reports seem to give the most info.  Most of these places don't reveal their secrets easily.

Each of us should pick 5 pet food ingredients, including (especially) the supplements, & research how they are made, what is put in them & where they are made.  Bet we could come up with some telling info there!
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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2007, 09:54:12 AM »

petslave,

That's some good data, and a good link, too.  Thanks for posting.

The pet food industry needs to get it's act together, or experience the backlash from pet food buyers.

Why does the USA seem to be plagued with recalls?  I don't know, but I'm not buying any more from USA companies until we get some answers.

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« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2007, 11:05:57 AM »

petslave great post from the API site that everyone should visit and read about the pet food - will open your eyes thats for sure. The moldy grains is the MAIN reason I do not feed grains of any kind to my dog. Who knows how long this stuff sits in the silos with the humidity and heat before it is processed? I am trying to cut all grains from my diet too and also beef as I think beef is main reason for my tissue edema that I can't seem to get rid of. But the moldy grains that they process into pet food, breads, muffins, cakes, cereal, etc. is reason enough not to eat it for me.
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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2007, 11:52:27 AM »

I found that white stuff in a bag of Canidae a few months back.....I was told by customer service that it was "separation in shipping" & nothing to worry about.  I brought it back.  Other pf companies says it's excess Vit E......these guys should try to get their stories straight. Shocked

Besides all that crap that they spray on the outside of kibble, I have always heard that it's dangerous to wet kibble as it activates the bacteria on the outside.  What a nice thing to think about. Undecided

Now somebody try to tell me, with all that we've heard about what goes into pf & now onto it, excess vitamins, different toxins.....how in the name of all that we hold dear could home cooking possibly be worse than this?HuhHuh?  I may make a few boo-boos here & there but somehow I think my mistakes are nothing compared to the pf companies.  My mistakes may cause a little underfeeding/overfeeding or a little low on one vitamin/mineral......however, my dog is not going to die because of industrial waste & waste products from human food.  Ewwwwwwww. Tongue
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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2007, 12:56:34 PM »

petslave I did my research when my last dog had been cured of her cancer to find healthier food to feed. The stuff I read on all the Genetically Modified food made me gag and there is so much of it in pet food that IMO is whats making a lot of them sick, keeping them sick, and even killing  them with the cumulation effect over time destroying the organs inside of them along with the mercury filled fish too.
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