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« Reply #780 on: August 06, 2008, 11:57:35 AM » |
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5CatMom, going back to Dr. Renata R for a minute, something's bugging me about
her work. The crystals were found in the 2006 3-dog Korean study in 2004 tissues, and by Kathy
Brown in 2007 in 2004 tissues and 2007 tissues. So something's not making sense here I think about
how fast these crystals disappear? Or am I not understanding? lol ... won't be my first or
last mistake.
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« Reply #781 on: August 06, 2008, 03:31:42 PM » |
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Yes, 3Cat - it's bugging me too becuase I tought I read somewhere that the crystals formed by melamine+CA were virtually insoluble - that's why so deadly! So, according to Dr. R, these dissolve in formaldehide (sp?).
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« Reply #782 on: August 06, 2008, 05:35:22 PM » |
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I thought they were insoluble in the body. Formaldahyde isn't found in the body.
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« Reply #783 on: August 06, 2008, 07:42:44 PM » |
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But there is probably some standard method of mounting tissue samples
for microscope examination, like kidneys, etc. I think I recall something being mentioned
about 2004 Asian samples having been saved in parafin (wax) I believe and
then examined by Kathy Brown in 2007. Haven't read the 2006 Korean research
study and Kathy Brown article in some time. Just bells going off that there
are differing claims for lengths of time melamine/cyanuric acid crystals would
be findable here by Dr. Brown and Dr. Renata R, and I find it confusing. Dr. Renata
R seems to be saying that many veterinary pathologists couldn't find the melamine
crystals because something dissolved them. Freely admit my science background
sucks, too.
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« Reply #784 on: August 06, 2008, 11:42:05 PM » |
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« Reply #785 on: August 07, 2008, 05:09:59 AM » |
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3cat, It's confusing to say the least. If you email her, maybe Dr. R. could explain: renate.reimschuessel@fda.hhs.gov5CatMom =^..^ = |
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« Reply #786 on: August 07, 2008, 12:06:52 PM » |
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Whatever the explanation on what medium dissolves melamine crystals, bottom
line of what's bugging me is how it affected the ultimate pathology results of
the sickened and dead pets from 2007.
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« Reply #788 on: August 07, 2008, 06:40:10 PM » |
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Thanks for the link 5CatMom - looks like all the Solid Gold dry dog food made by Diamond in CA & MO met their criteria. In all of the bags of Solid Gold Indigo Moon cat food I have purchased since last November, ONE obviously-not-Indigo Moon dry kibble (we identified as an SG dog kibble) has shown up in a bag. Don't know what other foods they are processing through these Diamond plants, but this would indicate they are running one companys dry brands in a series.
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« Reply #789 on: August 10, 2008, 05:06:31 AM » |
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LOL, maybe Home Depot could stock these kits. "VICAM has expanded their line of mycotoxin test kits to include AflaCheck: a qualitative, one step immunoassay method for the detection of aflatoxin. AflaCheck provides fast and accurate, yes or no results for the presence of aflatoxin at levels as low as 10 ppb, according to the company, with an alternative testing protocol for detecting levels in excess of 20 ppb and improving pet food safety. VICAM also states that this test is able to provide results in as little as 3 minutes, in the field or in the lab, and without the use of expensive equipment or reagent chemicals." http://www.vicam.com/press_releases/pr_2008_04_01.html5CatMom =^..^ = |
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« Reply #790 on: August 11, 2008, 01:11:23 PM » |
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In addition to Wellness, looks like Catterton Partners Equity also owns (part of ?) Nature's Variety: Catterton/Wellness http://www.cpequity.com/realized-investments.asp?i=wellnessCatterton/Nature's Variety http://www.cpequity.com/rep-investments.asp?i=NaturesVariety5CatMom =^..^ = |
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« Reply #791 on: August 11, 2008, 01:55:20 PM » |
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Is that a bad thing? I'm not a business person, so I really don't know what this means. My employer is owned by a private equity group. Not any mentioned on this forum that I know of. They only invest in good solid companies with great potential to grow. They've poured money into the company to help it grow. Maybe I'm naive. What's the downside? Teach me.
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Never forget our cats and dogs and the Pet Food Recalls of 2007; the reason most of us are here!
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« Reply #792 on: August 11, 2008, 02:21:23 PM » |
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The good news is that it wasn't KKR.. allegedly notorious for stripping assets, getting rid of middle management & folks close to pension (ergo higher salaries), from what I've heard in the past, and often reselling.
Berwind indicates on their page they have 100% ownership on their acquisitions...
Catterton shows Wellness under "realized investments" - with that, I'm assuming it's most likely that Wellness repaid investment $ , can't tell if Catterton retained any stock/equity.
Catterton shows Nature's Variety under current investments - so I'm assuming they have outstanding loans/investment funds there.
It all depends on the company, and their philosopy & business practices..
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« Reply #793 on: August 11, 2008, 02:24:26 PM » |
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Call me crazy, but judging from the history of the PF industry, companies that are bought out and/or grow large (Iams, Hill's, Purina) seem to lose their focus on providing safe, high quality products. Without knowing specifics such as who now controls these companies, and especially who makes the ingredient buying decisions, it's hard to know how such ownership changes will affect their products. Companies do need a certain critical mass. But, IMHO, when it comes to PF companies, bigger is not better. To be fair, I emailed both companies. So far, no response.  5CatMom =^..^ = |
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« Reply #794 on: August 14, 2008, 07:35:15 AM » |
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More reports of Nutro problems. Excerpt from Post #2, Comment by Valerie, April 20, 2008: "Last week I was told a rep from a different company said there was a toxic substance in their dried food the same as Nutro had but Nutro decided against a too expensive recall and just let it go. The last bit is heresay but confirms what we all suspect to be true." http://petnblog.preciouspets.org/?p=560I visited around on the WWW this morning, and there are hundreds of current posts on many forums about problems with Nutro. So, I'm not sure I buy the 100 bag "salmonella" excuse. Of course, Nutro could have salmonella and toxins. 5CatMom =^..^ = |
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