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« Reply #150 on: September 05, 2008, 10:34:09 PM »

Find it hard to believe so many are still buying this (lets make your pet sick stuff IMO) and feeding it! Apparently none of them paid any attention to the pet food recall in 2007.

Should a pet become ill or have symptoms they never had before - people, people, people - PLEASE look at the food first and do a google search to see if there are any others having these same things happening to their pets also. Gawd the poor pet might be dying while your not checking to see if the food is the culprit. This is for those who are not on the forum and not informed yet.
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« Reply #151 on: September 06, 2008, 06:50:17 PM »

The ironic thing being that Nutro buyers are under the impression they are paying more (than a lot of other popular brands) for a high quality food because they want their pet to have good nutrition.  I understand where you're coming from JJ but it makes me sad to think we live in a time when a person has to Google before buying pet food to see if it might kill their pet.  Anyone, anywhere in America should be able to walk into any store and pick up any brand of pet food and not have to worry it might make their pet sick.  We have the resources to make pet (and people) food safer.  We're just not directing those resources where they need to be in order to make that happen. 
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« Reply #152 on: September 06, 2008, 10:06:54 PM »

YesBiscuit I agree-we should not have to do an internet search on food we would like to feed our pets and ourselves. Would anyone on here have a year as to when all the food was starting to be tainted and then recalls ramped up way beyond what they were when it would happen now and then. Not continually, weekly or monthly.
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« Reply #153 on: September 07, 2008, 11:01:36 PM »

Some updated complaints at Consumer Affairs including one referencing our one and only PFPSA!  Don, I suspect you might be getting a few new visitors to your site now.....

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/nutro.html

Nutro Pet Foods

Linda of Auburn NH (09/06/08)
PET FOOD PRODUCT SAFETY ALLIANCE DID TESTS ON TWO SAMPLES OF NUTRO FOOD AND POSTED ON AUGUST 14th, 2008. THE RESULTS WERE HIGH LEVELS OF COPPER AND ZINC. The symptoms are consistent with the majority of those reported by consumers suspecting problems believed to be associated with feeding Nutro dry dog food.

Marni of Wesley Chapel FL (09/06/08)
I spent $2000 in vet bills for 'toxicity' in my dog causing liver enzymes that were 'off the charts'. I've had my dog on Nutro Natural Choice his whole life and he's an indoor dog and there's no way he got into anything else. I reported this to Nutro since I'm convinced it was the food. They had me send a sample and called my vet and they were supposed to call me back but hae not. I still have 1/2 the bag of dog food that I'm saving in case it needs to be tested further.

$2000 in vet bills.

Danah of Allen TX (09/06/08)
I wanted to thank everyone who posted on this site about their experience with Nutro. I have fed my 3 small dogs Nutro for a few years and never had a problem. I just adopted an 8-week-old Great Pyrenees puppy and immediately started him on Nutro Large Breed puppy. He ate it, but never seemed to have a hearty appetite; however, I thought maybe it was because he was so young and assumed that his appetite would improve with age (I never would have considered that it was the food that might be causing his lack of appetite). Thankfully, I came across these posts and immediately switch all my dogs to Solid Gold (Weebits for my little girls and Wolf Cub for George)(also, Petco was very nice about giving me a refund for the two bags of Nutro I had just purchsed).

As soon as I made the switch George's appetite improved dramatically. He went from maybe eating a third of his food at a time, to cleaning his bowl! I feel very fortunate that I was able to make the switch before any of my dogs became ill, and my heart goes out to all the people who have posted on this site.

Kathleen of Ashburn VA (09/05/08)
I have been feeding my 8 yr old Golden Retriever Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Senior dog food for 2 years. She has been eatting Nutro since she was a puppy. After the last bag I bought, she started throwing up and now stares at me when I put the food in front of her and will not eat it. I bought a bag of different food which she devoured. She has also been drinking a lot of water. I also have a 4 yr old Shetland Sheepdog who also eats Nutro and she has been having UTI issues. She too has been removed from Nutro Food.

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« Reply #154 on: September 08, 2008, 04:07:43 AM »

I certainly hope that the next article we see from Lisa McCormick is an interview with Nutro/Mars and their take on the lab results... Huh



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« Reply #155 on: September 08, 2008, 10:52:05 AM »

That would be good, Carol, but I have a feeling this company won't ever actively participate in the process of trying to identify what is wrong.  Hopefully this will start intensive independent testing of many samples from the different plants.  Then maybe they will finally be forced to quit denying it and do something about it.
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« Reply #156 on: September 08, 2008, 06:51:49 PM »

petslave until more and more people just up and not purchase anything from this place will anything have in impact on them finally admitting somehting is wrong and finding out who is supplying this wrong stuff....
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« Reply #157 on: September 08, 2008, 07:14:55 PM »

That would be great JJ, if the info was out there for them.  Unless it's on the evening news AND 24 hour news stations, I doubt it will get out there to most people.  Almost all of those posts start with - "we fed the food, pet got sick, googled Nutro and got this site". 

As someone said on another thread, we shouldn't have to google everything BEFORE we buy it, but that seems to be our world now.  And a lot of these people have been feeding this for years without major problems, so why should they expect things to change.  It's hard to remember life as it was before recalls, but a lot of people have gone back to that life, or never left it.  Even those of us that are over-vigilant now have no guarantee every time we open a package of pet or people food.
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« Reply #158 on: September 09, 2008, 09:42:35 AM »

Some more complaints, the top one is real interesting:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/nutro.html

Cheryl of Ogden UT (09/09/08)
I lost 3 dogs to mitral valve prolapse in June and July. 5 vets and the FDA said it had to be from an outside source. I read the article today about Zinc and Copper toxicity in the Nutro food, (see Pet Food Safety Alliance report). When I googled copper toxicity this is what it says:

COPPER AND CONNECTIVE TISSUE

Copper is required for collagen formation. Copper deficiency is association with atherosclerosis and other cardiovascular conditions. Excess copper or biounavailable copper often cause connective tissue problems, interfering with the disulfide bonds in connective tissue. Symptoms may include stretch marks, tendon and ligament weakness, mitral valve prolapse, skin and hair problems and other conditions affecting connective tissue. Along with eye problems, liver, kidney, and/or pancreas failure, CANCER, gastritis, diarrea and vomiting.

I called Nutro today and spoke to Sharon about this article and she said it's just a blog and is untrue. She also said Nutro has contacted EVERY PERSON who has filed a complaint. No one has contacted me from Nutro, period. She also said the food is fine, they are just experiencing a lamb shortage. (why isn't Science Diet, Eukanuba, Blue and Purina experiencing a lamb shortage?). My dogs were on the Senior Natural Choice Chicken/Rice, treats and biscuits.

How many dogs have to suffer and how many people who have handled this food and gotten sick, have to suffer? When will someone from the government step in? Please read the article concerning zinc and copper toxicity from Pet Food Safety Alliance. Share it with everyone you know.

3 dead dogs, thousands of dollars in vet expenses, another dog who also has mitral valve prolapse not expected to survive, cremation expenses. HEARTACHE!


Geneie of Corning CA (09/08/08)
After we purchased our last bag of nutro lamb and rice dog food in july OUr dogs spent the next 3 weeks very ill dehydrated, vomiting diarrhea all of the same symptoms that all the other people complained of, We also took our dog to the vet who put them medicationt to stop the diarrhea, iv fluids for the dehydration and told us to feed them rice and cottage cheese and yogurt, after about a week they greatly improved i started to give them the nutro and they got sick again. they just finally have formed stool and a new dog food



Cindy of Henderson NV (09/08/08)
After reading all these complaints I have a 4 yr old Boxer who has been on Nutro Lamb & Rice since a puppy just until recently as he has had red infected paws, infected ears and very bloodshot eyes which started about a yr ago, he has had some incidents of vomiting and at times would just look at his food and not eat it, I took him to the vet several times but my vet just kept saying it was some kind of allergy but she did not understand why he would vomit and drink alot of water and not eat which was not like him, I thought maybe he just had the doggie flu but after reading these complaints I am starting to put two and two together thinking it was the food.

I have had him on Natural Balance Sweet Potato & Venison just over a month and his feet, ears and eyes have cleared up, the vomiting stopped and his poop is solid and he has twice as much energy



Joy of Louisburg NC (09/08/08)
I switched my 9-month Sheltie from Nutro Natural Choice Puppy Food to the Adult Lamb & Rice Formula. My 2 older shelties had been on that formula for a year with no problems. I purchased a new bag and began the gradual switch over a 2-wk period. The first day that Pip had only the adult formula, she began to have severe diarrhea immediately after eating dinner. It lasted all night into the next day, and I took her to my vet first thing Sept. 4, 2008.

The vet found no parasites or fever, and decided that Pip must have eaten something that did not agree with her. She prescribed an antibiotic and a powder to be mixed with rice (or other food) which she would take for 5 days. Pip was very tired and did not have much of an appetite, but the diarrhea stopped. After 4 days, I thought Pip was fully recovered and began to feed the Nutro again. Immediate diarrhea and lethargy. I went online and searched for problems with Nutro and was appalled to see so many pets had exactly the same experience. I will never feed a Nutro product again, and will spread the word to as many other pet lovers as I can.

Thank you for posting these complaints. I contacted Nutro last year following the pet food recall and they assured me that they had the highest quality standards in the industry. I want to know how I can help prevent other pets from being poisoned by Nutro.

We had only a $68.00 vet bill and a $35.00+ bag of Nutro Natural Choice. I hope and pray that our Sheltie has not sustained any kind of permanent damage to her liver or other organs.

Meghan of Westville IN (09/07/08)
I have two dogs a 2 year old Weimaraner/Shar Pei mix and a 1 year old English Springer Spaniel. My 2 year old has always had allergies to wheat, beef, and gluten. I had a hard time find a food for him until 02/2008. I bought him Nutro Natural Choice Chix, Rice and Oatmeal. It worked! His stomach problems subsided and so I switched their food to it.

Then around the beginning of Aug I bought a new bag (same food just a new bag) and within 12 hours both dogs had severed diarrhea and vomitting.

I didnt think it was the food at first. But what else could it have been they hadnt had anything different but a new bag. I stopped them on it and the diarrhea and vomitting stopped. I changed them to a new food California Natural Chix and Rice and they have done excellent on it. Its been about 2 weeks now and no problems.

However, I still had some Nutro treats laying around the house and my husband accidentally gave the dogs the Nutro treats and within a few hours the diarrhea started again w/ both dogs.

That just proves to me that it MUST be the Nutro. I am so disappointed in this company. Luckily I did my research and found California Natural and I will stick w/ that. My moms dog was on Nutro Natural Choice Large breed senior and after hearing my story and then reading all the complaints she switched her dog to Wellness Senior.

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« Reply #159 on: September 09, 2008, 09:47:33 AM »



Cheryl of Ogden UT (09/09/08)

I called Nutro today and spoke to Sharon about this article and she said it's just a blog and is untrue. She also said Nutro has contacted EVERY PERSON who has filed a complaint.
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She also said the food is fine...

Well this is getting old.  How many times are they going to reuse these same lines?  I say again:  Nutro, if you've got independent lab results verifying your claims about the safety of your foods, let's see them.
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« Reply #160 on: September 09, 2008, 10:47:47 AM »

At least they aren't saying "we've had no complaints" anymore, hard to use that line now. 

This is getting very old and I don't think anything will happen unless a gov agency steps in.  Which isn't likely to happen in the pet food world unless 1000's of pets die horrible deaths first, like last year.
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« Reply #161 on: September 09, 2008, 10:52:34 AM »

A friend of mine suggested someone ought to fax those test results to Nutro, perhaps Cheryl from the Consumer Affaris blog could sent it to the Sharon she talked to....better yet, maybe Lisa McCormick can get in touch with her contact person at Nutro and show them the test results, would luv to see what they have to say...
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« Reply #162 on: September 09, 2008, 11:01:49 AM »

Cheryl is doing her best to get the word out...she posted here in the comments section (and so did I)

http://www.securepet.biz/wordpress/2008/08/nutro-food-update/

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Carol says:

It is good you have picked this lab report up….we have been discussing this quite alot

http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/new-consumer-affairscomnutro-article-t4525.0.html;msg80507#msg80507

Glad you find this as interesting as we do…Hats off to Don Earl for helping out with some more info on this…
August 24th, 2008 at 11:58 am


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Hi Carol,

Thanks for stopping by. I am so glad the Itchmo forum keeps up with the latest findings.

I have included a link to the Itchmo forum located at the right under Pet Food Recall Sources: Cat & Dog Forums.

I would like to encourage everyone out there to keep up with the latest findings by visiting this forum.

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August 24th, 2008 at 12:41 pm


Cheryl says:

I’ve lost 3 dogs from mitral valve prolapse and 5 vets and the FDA said it had to have been caused from an outside source.

I googled zinc and copper poisoning and it said it caused heart disease, eye problems, kidney, liver and pancreas failure, gastritis and CANCER!

When will Nutro admit there is a problem and pull it’s food from the shelves? I called them today and Sharon said they are having a “lamb” shortage and there is nothing wrong with the food! She said these are “blogs” and nothing on them is true. Well, I have 3 dead dogs and that is 100% fact!

Share this with everyone you know!
September 8th, 2008 at 5:36 pm



admin says:

Dear Cheryl - first my deepest heartfelt sympathy for your loss. I can not imagine the heartache you are going through.

I thank you for taking the time to post this. It is important for dog owners to be aware of what is happening and to stay informed about their pet’s food.

I would like to know the type of Nutro food your dogs were on, was it canned or dry? And which one was it since they have several varieties.

All my best to you,
Gyvel
September 8th, 2008 at 9:30 pm



Cheryl says:

Gyvel:

I was a Pet Nutrition Specialist for Nutro from 2004-2008. I quit earlier this year when my customers kept telling me their animals were getting sick. Then when I found out my 2 chihuahuas and 2 poms had mitral valve prolapse, I knew it had to be the food. I had all my dogs tested last year after the recall and they were all fine. This year, all 4 of them were diagnosed with Mitral Valve and the my one lh chihuahua was diagnosed with adrenal insufficiency (her hair fell out and grew weird). 4 different ages and 3 different breeds of dogs–too coincidental.

I was feeding the Senior chicken/rice in the silver bag, along with Nutro treats and biscuits.

My lab was on Max large breed and he tested ok in February, but I’m having him checked again now that this has come to light.

When I googled Copper Toxicity and found the Mitral Valve Prolapse and Adrenal Insufficiency, I was speechless. I knew it had to be from the food or some kind of toxin on the bags.

As a former employee of Nutro, I would have thought they would have had enough loyalty to talk to me when my animals got sick, but not one person from Nutro has called me concerning this issue and believe me, I’ve called, emailed and sent several letters.

The minute Nutro or the FDA comes forward with something substantial, I’m calling my lawyer!

Please share this information with everone you know!

Cheryl
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« Reply #163 on: September 24, 2008, 09:37:17 AM »

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_lifestyle_animal/2008/09/do-you-feed-you.html

Orlando Sentinel September 24, 2008

"Received this letter today from an OrlandoSentinel.com reader in Melbourne, who is understandably concerned:

"My 3-year-old Great Pyrenees, Salty, had to be rushed to the hospital on Saturday night (9/20/08) with bloody diarrhea and vomiting. He has never had stomach issues in his life.  He had to stay overnight with an IV and was given all types of medicine. They diagnosed him with HGE, or Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis, is a potentially life-threatening diarrheal disease. (He came home with a diagnosis of bacterial colitis also.) I remembered that I had recently switched his food to Nutro Natural Lamb and Rice for sensitive skin (due to a rash). When I got home from emergency room I looked up consumer affairs page and it had so many recent entries about very seriously sick dogs with the same issues.

"Since Saturday, I have spoken to friends in NJ, PA and here in Florida with the very same problems.

"Last night (9/21) we picked Salty up from the emergency vet and a Rottweiler was being admitted. I overheard his owner talking about his symptoms. Bloody vomiting and bloody diarrhea -- I asked the owner what food she had been feeding her dog -- Nutro Lamb and Rice Dry food.

"Four people at work have had sick dogs -- vomiting, diarrhea issues -- and their dogs are fed Nutro Lamb and Rice dry food. One of the people just called her vet -- her vet's dog is sick and is fed Nutro also. One of the co-workers is feeding her two dogs Nutro Large Breed (not lamb and rice) and she just purchased the bag at the Petsupermarket on Palm Bay Road in Palm Bay.


"Please help, please get the word out. Dogs could die from this and pet owners are thinking they are feeding their dogs a good product.  I emailed Nutro on 9/20 and 9/22 and have not even received a response. I did file a complaint with the FDA.  I am going to check my American Express Bill to see when we purchased this dog food. I am asking my co-workers to do the same.  So far the vet bill is about $1,000."



http://www.nutroproducts.com/press8-8-08.shtml

Nutro Products Quality Update
 
August 8, 2008

"ConsumerAffairs.com has posted an August 6 update to their June 23 posting regarding NUTRO™ pet foods. The most notable information in the posting, and the subject of its title, "Expert Finds Unexplained Pet Deaths 'Not Consistent,'" are the findings of Dr. Steven Hansen, a veterinary toxicologist at the ASPCA. Dr. Hansen conducted an in-depth review of the complaints against Nutro and concluded that the complaints appear to be random, non-pet food related health issues.

"Every NUTRO™ product that was analyzed in relation to the June 23 posting on ConsumerAffairs.com has been shown to be safe. It should be noted that in some of these cases outside sources have provided clear verification that NUTRO™ products were NOT the cause of any pet health issues. In others, NUTRO™ has taken active steps to address pet owners' concerns and determine the cause of pet health issues. We've either spoken with or left multiple messages for all of the consumers cited in the June 23 posting. Our findings agree with Dr. Hansen’s; there is nothing that indicates that these pet health issues were caused by NUTRO™ pet foods.

"There are other elements to the August 6, 2008 Consumer Affairs post which, as with previous postings on the site, attempt to raise doubt concerning the safety of NUTRO™ products. We take every complaint about NUTRO™ product quality seriously and, as we have done before, when we learn of an issue we work with consumers to obtain information and request that samples of any product in question be submitted for testing at an independent facility. An in-depth review is performed to determine if an issue does exist.

"All of our products are safe and conform to the standards set by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the U.S Department of Agriculture and the Association of American Feed Control Officials. NUTRO™ products undergo rigorous quality assurance testing beginning with raw ingredients and ending with testing finished products. This includes testing to confirm that no melamine, mold toxins, or pathogenic bacteria are detected in NUTRO™ pet foods."



http://www.nutroproducts.com/press9-17-08.shtml

Re: Zinc and Copper Levels in Natural Choice®                                             

September 17, 2008

Q: "I've heard reports that Nutro products contain potentially harmful levels of copper and zinc. Is this true?

A: "NUTRO™ products are safe and conform to the standards set by the FDA, USDA and AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials). The claims regarding the safety of Nutro pet food in a recent report posted on the Pet Food Product Safety Alliance website are unfounded.
   
"In order for a food to provide all the essential nutrition for a pet, it must exceed the minimum requirements for all essential nutrients. AAFCO has established Nutrient Profiles which identify these minimum dietary levels for all essential nutrients in canine pet food products.
 
"Specifically, these guidelines indicate that pet foods formulated to meet the nutrient requirements of dogs contain no less than 120 mg/kg dry matter and no more than 1,000 mg/kg dry matter of zinc in order to ensure that the requirements for zinc in dogs are met. Based on these guidelines, the 260- 400 mg/kg diet levels of Zinc found in Nutro™ Natural Choice Chicken, Meal, Rice and Oatmeal Formula (which converts to approximately 288-444 mg/kg dry matter) are well within AAFCO recommended levels. Like zinc, levels of copper in Nutro are necessarily above the minimum AAFCO requirements and do not exceed maximum requirements; they are well within recommended levels.
 
"The report is correct in stating that there is a small minority of dogs that are sensitive to copper.  These dogs are relatively few and need to be carefully managed with the assistance of a Veterinarian.  This would be the same as with any dog that has special, specific needs which make it unique from the general canine population. Furthermore, copper is a critical factor in a dog's antioxidant defense system and so it would not be prudent to restrict copper in the general population, as that would mean that a large group of dogs would not receive their required levels.
 
"In addition to meeting a dog's nutritional requirements, many Nutro™ products incorporate the scientific knowledge of the WALTHAM Centre for Pet Nutrition which has researched the role of key nutrients in delivering optimal skin and coat health and consequently have levels of zinc, copper and other nutrients that are higher than industry minimums. These nutrients serve as key drivers in maintaining skin and coat health and help to make Nutro™ products nutritionally sound.

"Our products are safe and conform to the standards set by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the U.S Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO). Nutro™ products undergo rigorous quality assurance testing beginning with raw ingredients and ending with testing finished products. This includes testing to confirm that no melamine, mold toxins, or pathogenic bacteria are detected in any Nutro™ pet foods."

Dr. Tiffany L Bierer
Health Sciences and Nutrition Manager
Mars Petcare US, Inc



All of these people who have posted to blogs, message boards, Consumer Affairs, el. al., cannot just be coincidence; they are not all bent on destroying the brand nor getting a whopping settlement from the company.  History shows us that some of those who suffered the illness and loss of their pet friends in the melamine/cyanuric acid toxic pet food crisis last year didn't even get their medical bills 100% covered.

There are a lot of people who are saying the same thing and those who have been saying it for some time, while Nutro continues to stick with the "party line" that there's nothing harmful about its products.  Seeing is believing--what we are seeing is plenty of reports that there was and is something wrong with these foods; Nutro provides no actual proof that there isn't.
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« Reply #164 on: September 24, 2008, 10:18:02 AM »

Menusux yes they provide proof in words only. We say the food is safe and we test for blah, blah, blah which is repeated over and over on their site. Just because Nutro says so does not make it so IMO. Provide test results weekly on your site of the actual lab reports proving your food does not contain anything that will sicken an animal.

All of the people with sick pets are being blamed by your company as if they did something to make their pet ill and your food had nothing whatsoever to do with it IMO. We, unlike your business, love our pets and would not do anything to harm, sicken or hurt them IMO.
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