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« Reply #105 on: July 09, 2008, 04:20:42 AM »

So glad to see Pet Food Industry newsletter clearing this all up----- Roll Eyes.

 It is strange that they decide to cover this story but yet won't cover how Mars/Effem screwed up with identifying the contaminant of the 2004 Asian recall---which I pointed out TWICE in emails to the editor which I have already posted here so I know she got the first one (she ignored the second one)---just imagine if as much attention was put on the real poisons of 2004 and may have prevented 2007??

I wish they would cover both sides of pet food problems....obviously they are not fair and balanced! Angry

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« Reply #106 on: July 09, 2008, 05:57:27 AM »

Lesson to be learned.....rumors are not always that... this is from March 2004 --not current...>:

(http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2004/03/24/2003107583
Earlier this month more than 100 dogs reportedly fell ill and about 30 others had died from renal illness after eating Pedigree in Taiwan.

Effem Foods dismissed the reports as rumors at that time
and has offered to spend NT$1 million to find a scientific explanation for the dogs' illness and death. But in the meantime, the company started to recall its pet food manufactured at the Thailand plant to eliminate any remaining concerns about the quality and safety of its products.


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« Reply #107 on: July 09, 2008, 06:36:39 AM »

Mars, as we know from the CDC report, did not recall all the pet foods associated with illness in humans either...

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/mars-pennsylvania-plant-did-not-recall-all-contaminated-products-t5236.0.html;msg69917#msg69917

Established Track record for handling of complaints regarding human or animal health:  Effem, Mars PA

I'm sure Nutro really set us all straight with their magazine blurb.

Worldwide shortages?  How many other pet food companies using those ingredients that Nutro claims are short are having the same customer complaints?

Bags, reformulations, shortages.  We could probably make a list of companies over the same time period as Nutro.  Then ,add customer complaints and see where the cookie kibble crumbles..
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« Reply #108 on: July 10, 2008, 12:00:44 PM »

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/caninevitality/archives/142981.asp?from=blog_last3

Illness and Death Connected to Nutro Pet Food |July 9, 2008

(Saundra details what CA has reported about deaths and illnesses attributed to Nutro foods in her blog entry.)

"These facts were reported in an article by Lisa Wade McCormick of ConsumerAffairs.com, dated 6/23/08.

"Since Lisa wrote this article on June 23, I contacted her yesterday to see if they were getting any more complaints. She told me they are continuing to get reports from pet guardians everyday. She was very happy that I was posting her report to my site and to this blog.

"I contacted Nutro and I will comment on that conversation tomorrow."

Saundra Bailey is an author and a pet nutrition expert.  I would expect her conversation with Nutro will appear here on her blog today or Friday.
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« Reply #109 on: July 10, 2008, 05:11:58 PM »

Menusux, another good find!  Thank you.  I didnt know about this site.  I just checked and she indicates that info about her conversation with Nutro should be their tomorrow.....Im all ears......or eyes..... Cheesy   
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« Reply #110 on: July 10, 2008, 05:40:49 PM »

he he he  I am ALL ears and eyes too!
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« Reply #111 on: July 11, 2008, 01:59:38 PM »

More complaints at Nutro, this is really sad.  I dont understand why ASPCA or FDA or someone cant get to the bottom of this.  There are too many complaints to ignore and just brush it off.  I really hope Consumer Affairs can help these people get answers.  Perhaps someone should notify Cornell or some other University to get them involved......

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/nutro.html

 
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 Scott of Anderson IN (07/10/08)
We began feeding our Malamute Polar Nutro Lamb and Rice and senior two weeks ago. Soon after he started vomiting hourly. Our vet made a house call July 4, 2008 and was concerned he was having kidney failure. We stopped feeding Nutro he vomited for 45 minutes on Sunday. Monday his kidneys failed and the vet ended his suffering. Our neighbors also were feeding Nutro and both of their dogs had vomiting and were very lazy. Their male kept vomiting they stopped feeding and they both are recovering. We lost a valuble pet due to someones carelessness. Polar was doing fine until the food change

over 200.00 dollars in vet bills and cremation fees. the loss of a days work for my wife. Severe emotional stress of losing a beloved pet. Damage to our carpets from his constant vomiting. We are so distraught that my wife cries at the slightest thing and I can not get the image of my best friend suffering for profit

Beverly of Austin TX (07/09/08)
In April, I purchased a healthy Rottweiler puppy. One Saturday I changed her food to Nutro wet canned food. The very next day she stopped moving, would not eat or drink. Her condition worsened during the night and we took her to an overnight emergency hospital. She was young, around 8 lbs, and yet the sonogram showed her kidneys were swollen to the size of a grown labrador retriever.

Had we not taken her to the hospital, she would have died. She was in acute renal failure and was hospitalized for four or five days with multiple follow up visits costing over $2000. I emailed Nutro during this time because the timing of the food and the resulting health failure were so close together. Nutro only responded with a form letter saying they were sorry my dog did not like the food.

I was infuriated with the lack of response and could find no way to contact them and reach a human being. I returned the food to Petsmart and told them what I had experienced and they promised a sales rep would call me. I never heard from them. I contacted a private testing company in Texas, however, the cost of having the food tested independently was too much after spending so much on the treatment. I was astounded to suddenly see other complaints during the same month about Nutro wet dog food. I want to add my experience to the list of people who followed through with posting. This country needs a central reporting agency so that death/health clusters are easily identified and testing should not left in the hands of the manufacturers.

my puppy survived, barely. The final medical expenses were over $3000 not to mention the mental anguish. My pets are my children and having lost my old ten year old dog the month before, this experience was especially painful.

Adam of Knoxville TN (07/09/08)
As a pet supply store employee, we often have meetings with pet food reps to give them a chance to talk to us about their foods and why they want us to recommend their foods. Shortly after all of the Menu Foods recalls, we had an opportunity to talk with the local Nutro sales rep.

One of my co-workers asked the rep what is nutro doing to ensure that the foods being shipped out are free of melamine and other harmful chemicals? The response we got was astonishing. We were told that Nutro does NOT quality test their foods. Instead they have a partnership with many kennels around their factory. They send samples from the batches of food to these kennels, free of charge, for the kennels to feed their dogs. The Rep said if there was anything wrong with the food, they would know within 3 days. If no dog got sick within those 3 days, the food is shipped. After hearing this, I immediately stopped feeding my pets nutro and switched to a more reputable brand that does extensive quality testing and cares about the well being of my pets. I NEVER recommend Nutro.


Sean of Littleton CO (07/09/08)
I have a 4 year old Rottweiler and she has always been very healthy her whole life. She was on Nutro Lamb and Rice food when she became very ill. She was vomitting, shaking, and very week. We rushed her to the vet.

After some tests on my doggy named Ruffian, her kidney levels were high and my vet thought there might be an infection, she also thought it might be Pyometria. They went in to do an emergency Spay and when they got in one of her kidneys was completely shut down and black in color. A specialist was called in to remove her kidney immediately. They believe it was connected to the food there were tests done for cancer and they came back negative.

$5000.00 later my baby is safe and healthy again and off Nutro. I heard that Nutro was bought out by Proctor and Gamble and since then the quality of the food and ingrediants have gone way down, Is this true? If there is anything you can help me with this problem please do
 
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« Reply #112 on: July 11, 2008, 03:26:45 PM »

To the competitors of Nutro:

You're all aware of the controversies surrounding this company and its products, and you are all aware that whether your company was caught up in last year's recalls or not, all PFCs have difficulty restoring consumers' pre-recall trust--in both individual PFCs and the industry as a whole.

From Pet Food Industry-July, 2008-

Anyone read the July issue?

http://www.petfoodindustry-digital.com/petfoodindustry/200807/?u1=texterity

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Is it really over?  

Though the number and emotional intensity of blog posting and responses about the recalls and petfood in general have declined from their high this time last year, it is still not unusual to see consumer comments disparaging specific brands, companies or the industry overall.  We still have a ways to go to regain the trust of many pet owners




One possible way to regain consumer trust could be to try to determine what may be causing all of the reports of illnesses and deaths from your competitor's products and making that information available to the consumers who, at this point, have become jaded enough to see all of you as the "Pet Food Mafia", protecting your own when necessary.

Hill's was sufficiently motivated enough to attempt to disprove Nutro's ad claims last year  This report doesn't indicate that there were any deaths or illnesses connected with the attempt to disprove the claim--just a business matter of attempting to keep a competitor honest.

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http://www.adlawbyrequest.com/_db/_documents/NAD,_Nurtro_Products.pdf

Hills vs Nutro-Case #4714 August 21, 2007
Hills="challenger" Nutro="advertiser"

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"The testing protocol that Nutro attached (to its submission) indicates, without support, that any product samples created at least twenty minutes apart constitute separate "production batches".  This statement seems to suggest that the average MEC (Metabolizable Energy Content) for the individual samples from a SINGLE production run--such as the 3057 kcal/kg result Nutro obtained on June 21--could, by itself, substantiate Nutro's "Lite" claim, even though Nutro averages the results from THREE separate production runs and cites this as its support in its submission. Nutro's "20 minute" definition finds no support in AAFCO's guidelines, nor is there any authority to support it.  In practice, samples from different production batches--as is required by AAFCO--are most easily identified on the retail shelf by looking for products that bear different date codes, as Hill's did in its testing.  In fact, AAFCO has issued a guidance memorandum, which is available to the public at:

http://www.aafco.org/Portals/0/Public/Guidance%20DocFinal.pdf

describing how animal feed manufacturers should identify different "production batches" (a term the document uses interchangably with "production lots") using such codes on the packaging. According to the guidance memo, "All feed and feed ingredients should contain a code that links the individual production lot to production records so as to provide a history of such product.  The code should be contained either on the product packaging, labeling or other distribution records..."  In any event, Nutro itself cites the average MEC from THREE data points, one for each production run it tested--not the average from the individual samples within any single production run--as the relevant final "number" that it claims relates to AAFCO's "Lite" standard.  Nutro's own method thus recognizes these three results as the relevant data.

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"The challenger took issue with the advertiser's explanation that the high MEC values obtained by the challenger's testing might be linked to temporary product irregularities caused by Nutro's switchover from its Wilson Way production facility to new factories. The challenger argued that it was unlikely that the samples it tested all came from the Victorville, CA plant, as opposed to Nutro's other production facility in Lebanon, TN, which, argued the challenger, the advertiser admitted has produced its "lite" dry products continuously since 1996.  Moreover, argued the challenger, the advertiser had not provided evidence that there were, in fact, such temporary irregularities in its "lite" dry products' MEC levels at the Victorville facility.

Second, argued the challenger, the samples it tested came from products actually available to the public for purchase (which is how it acquired them).  It selected the products to be tested based on the date codes printed on the bags, to ensure a range of unique production lots, argued the challenger, and reported these codes with the test results.  On the other hand, contended the challenger, the advertiser apparently tested samples coming straight off the production line at one of its facilities (without specifying which one).  Additionally, the advertiser did not state whether it tested samples of the same product formula that is now on store shelves and available to

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"consumers. Based on such information, argued the challenger, it is impossible to know exactly what the advertiser tested, including whether the three production runs tested were of the same formula and, if so, whether this was the reformulation described by the advertiser.

Third, while the challenger submitted samples of the products to an independent laboratory for testing, the advertiser conducted its own in house testing.
  The challenger contended that "although in-house testing may be proper in some circumstances and it not per se less reliable, in light of the other deficiencies in Nutro's data and in light of the delays in Nutro's submissions and the shifting statements Nutro has made to NAD, this is an additional reason to credit Hill's results."


Moreover, argued the challenger, of the three production runs tested by the advertiser, the results from two of them (May 17 and June 15) were over AAFCO's maximum allowable MEC of 3100 kcal/kg as was the average of all three (3118 kcal/kg).  The advertiser had admitted, argued the challenger, that it thus did not meet AAFCO's standard, but contended that the 3100 kcal/kg limit was only suggested and not an absolute limit.  The challenger stated that, to the contrary, the plain language of the Regulation indicated the 3100 kcal/kg was "a bright-line threshold".

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"In addition to its explanation that the challenger's test evidence of caloric values exceeding AAFCO recommendations was a result of product reformulation, the advertiser contended that these high caloric results were partly due to manufacturing anomalies in either or both of Nutro's manufacturing plants.  Specifically, explained the advertiser, certain employees at its production facilities were adding extra fat to the extruder to increase manufacturing through-put, and this practice affected Natural Choice Lite MEC values."

Our trust in you as a company and in the industry might be able to begin to re-awaken if we were to learn the reason all of these reports are attributed to Nutro's products, when that company repeats over and over again that there's nothing wrong with them.

To Nutro:

Repeating the words "Everything's Fine" ad infinum has done nothing about stopping the reports of deaths and illnesses in conjunction with your name.  The claim was even made by someone at Consumer Affairs that no product testing is done; you've continued to claim the contrary.


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/nutro.html

Adam of Knoxville TN (07/09/08)
As a pet supply store employee, we often have meetings with pet food reps to give them a chance to talk to us about their foods and why they want us to recommend their foods. Shortly after all of the Menu Foods recalls, we had an opportunity to talk with the local Nutro sales rep.

One of my co-workers asked the rep what is nutro doing to ensure that the foods being shipped out are free of melamine and other harmful chemicals? The response we got was astonishing. We were told that Nutro does NOT quality test their foods. Instead they have a partnership with many kennels around their factory. They send samples from the batches of food to these kennels, free of charge, for the kennels to feed their dogs. The Rep said if there was anything wrong with the food, they would know within 3 days. If no dog got sick within those 3 days, the food is shipped. After hearing this, I immediately stopped feeding my pets nutro and switched to a more reputable brand that does extensive quality testing and cares about the well being of my pets. I NEVER recommend Nutro.

This person indicated that this was not long after the recalls and we are aware that Nutro was purchased by Mars in May of 2007; the situation may no longer apply.

The point being that if it doesn't, and you are making all of the checks and performing all of the tests you make claims for, it should not be so difficult for you to be able to post them on your website as proof. 

The other side of the coin is that perhaps your competitors will once again be testing your food, but not this time to disprove one of your advertising claims.

 

Our trust in all of you might not be beyond hope if these reports were to stop because the cause of them has been found.
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« Reply #113 on: July 11, 2008, 10:39:32 PM »


Our trust in all of you might not be beyond hope if these reports were to stop because the cause of them has been found.


"because the cause of them has been found" -- OR -- because the cause of the reports has been acknowledged, reported to the public and corrected.

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« Reply #114 on: July 25, 2008, 11:34:00 PM »

I'll cross-post this to the other active Nutro thread we have in the Your Problems With Pet Food Section.

http://www.costar.com/News/Article.aspx?id=2694A9F80D51F0672AC0C334C2B95096

Closures and Layoffs July 24, 2008

"The following future closings and permanent mass layoffs were reported in California.

"Nutro Products Inc. is closing down and laying off 68 employees at 445 Wilson Way in the City of Industry and 50 employees at 18635 Gale Ave. in the City of Industry this week."

http://www.nutroproducts.com/contact.html

Nutro Products, Inc.
445 Wilson Way
City of Industry, CA 91744


This is not the Victorville plant--one of these addresses appears to be their corporate office.
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« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2008, 04:28:23 PM »

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/caninevitality/archives/142981.asp?from=blog_last3

Illness and Death Connected to Nutro Pet Food |July 9, 2008

(Saundra details what CA has reported about deaths and illnesses attributed to Nutro foods in her blog entry.)

"These facts were reported in an article by Lisa Wade McCormick of ConsumerAffairs.com, dated 6/23/08.

"Since Lisa wrote this article on June 23, I contacted her yesterday to see if they were getting any more complaints. She told me they are continuing to get reports from pet guardians everyday. She was very happy that I was posting her report to my site and to this blog.

"I contacted Nutro and I will comment on that conversation tomorrow."

Saundra Bailey is an author and a pet nutrition expert.  I would expect her conversation with Nutro will appear here on her blog today or Friday.

Update is up now...
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/caninevitality/archives/144474.asp
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« Reply #116 on: July 27, 2008, 09:28:30 PM »

As expected, Nutro is still repating their mantra: "All is well" even as pets sicken and die left right and center  Angry
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« Reply #117 on: July 27, 2008, 09:50:08 PM »

When will they publish test results on their website from the testing of the start and end run of their product? If you are testing and/or have tested samples of food sent in by people put it on your site and PROVE what you say is so. Anyone can put words on a page or web site and claim that it is the truth but without independent proof why would anyone believe you?
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« Reply #118 on: July 29, 2008, 05:59:04 PM »

 ;)JUST an FYI .. at any given time at least 3 PFC are suing over things...Many times one files because the other filed against them  Roll Eyes

Test results would be a nice web addition but since most company's do not even post the % of many micro nutrients I do see it happening while I am breathing:)
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« Reply #119 on: July 30, 2008, 07:50:19 PM »

sharky I agree it won't happen while we're still breathing, lol. But that helps all of the pet lovers and care takers on here to not buy that company's products till they prove beyond a reasonable doubt that their food is not loaded with unsafe ingredients/chemicals etc. So we JUST SAY NO and they keep losing sales which kills their bottom line and they have their stockholders screaming at them to make more money to pay a bigger dividend. Well I hope they both lose on each end. Instead of stockholders holding these companies by the scruff of the neck needing more dividends they should be beating down the doors of these places and telling to WAKE UP and quit producing toxic cwap that is killing pets with the cumulative effect of months/years of feeding. Like a slow death for your pet-as long as they are making money &  your pets being poisoned to death IMO think they care? Guess again!
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