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Author Topic: RASFF portal Italy - arsenic/catfood from Thailand  (Read 8692 times)
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« on: February 01, 2012, 06:24:32 AM »


https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/rasff-window/portal/index.cfm?event=notificationDetail&NOTIF_REFERENCE=2012.0146

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 06:55:16 AM »

I wonder if this resulted from too high levels of arsenic in chicken feed.  (Arsenic is commonly added to chicken feed worldwide.)

Thanks for posting, Spartycats.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 09:16:48 AM »

It seems to be tuna (from what I can make out from blogs, articles in Italy).

http://ilmiogattosicuro.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/torniamo-a-parlare-di-arsenico-un-aggiornamento/

http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2012/01/17/arsenico-nel-mangime-per-gatti-tutta-colpa.html

http://it-it.facebook.com/notes/%D0%BC%CF%83%CE%B7%CF%83-g%CE%B1%D1%82%D1%82%CF%83/attenzione-al-cibo-dei-gatti-scatolette-allarsenico-dalla-thailandia/330484786974262
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 10:15:09 AM »

Pet food manufacturer telling the public that the only arsenic found was "organic" (naturally occurring) and present in all ocean fish to some extent and to boycott all products from Thailand is inappropriate.

Haven't had a chance to read the whole thing but were there reports of cats dying from a certain food? From what I have read, the particular food wasn't disclosed and people were speculating in the FB comments about which brand it was. A lot of people slamming P&G, lol! Funny how this stuff crosses countries, but the notions are the same.

http://www.agrasgroup.it/It/Home/Home.html
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 03:53:43 PM »

Tuna is high on the ocean-contaminant food chain anyhow. Organic or not - whatever is in the ocean ends up concentrated in the bigger fish.
These days anything can end up in tuna- glad someone tested.

 Reading this after my recent issue with tuna (problems with pet food thread) makes me think there may be some environmental issue rather than a problem in a cannery...I think we just may cool it for a little while on the "tonno" for the "gatti"... not a boycott, just caution for awhile
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 07:50:00 PM »

Any idea which manufacturer? Weruva, Tiki, Applaws, Almo Nature are all canned in Thailand.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 07:46:42 AM »

Any idea which manufacturer? Weruva, Tiki, Applaws, Almo Nature are all canned in Thailand.

It seems brands haven't been revealed; I am still looking.  Almo is not involved, according to a press release they put out.
Here is a Google translation of it:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Darsenico%2Bcibo%2Bgattini%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1143%26bih%3D676%26prmd%3Dimvns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&u=http://www.almonature.eu/it_it/index.cfm/azienda/news-almo-nature/comunicato-ufficiale/&usg=ALkJrhi3rLLduseJ_LodT_O0PGGgelcx2g
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2012, 04:12:14 PM »

anyone hear what brands yet? soulistic is made by weruva, isn't it also thailand?
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 05:10:28 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 05:17:12 PM »

I'm not sure any of these brands have a presence in Italy.

One poster seems to have an idea of the brand (it is one brand), based on what a pet-store manager told her was pulled.  But the moderators had to delete the name -  because no official statement, and they are worried about liability.  

Edited to clarify: This poster is on a pet forum in Italy, not this forum.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2012, 08:46:08 PM »

Can you just tell me whether it is anything from what I feed: Almo, Applaws, Hilife, Tiki, Weruva, BFF.

If it isn't, it should be OK to just say no. If it is, then I guess I have to stop all except Almo which has issued a statement.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 05:56:25 AM »

Can you just tell me whether it is anything from what I feed: Almo, Applaws, Hilife, Tiki, Weruva, BFF.

If it isn't, it should be OK to just say no. If it is, then I guess I have to stop all except Almo which has issued a statement.

alek0,
Believe me, I am not being purposefully secretive. I am a world away, my Italian is very rusty, I am not on Facebook.
I do not know the brand.  From what I can gather from forums in Italy, people are angry and frustrated that the brand has not been revealed. 

I welcome help from anyone here, who can find out more. 
I'm sorry.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2012, 09:55:35 AM »

I think it is worth noting that the brand in Italy may not be one that is sold in countries where our members live.  It could be a brand unique to Italy, for example.  Or it could be from one of the big multinationals producing a lower-end brand, not one of those listed above.  I know at least one of the multinationals that produces some food in Thailand; probably they all do.

So while I agree we all need to be vigilant and hope that someone can find more information, I don't think there is reason for panic.  And as Meowli quite rightly pointed out, tuna is not good to use too frequently anyway, being on top of the food chain and so concentrating contaminants.  (Smaller fish like sardines are less of a risk in this respect, so if cats insist on fish, that is a safer option.)

(Spartycats, thanks for clarifying that the moderators on this forum did not delete anything; that what was deleted was on an Italian forum.)
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2012, 11:49:51 AM »

If anyone has any inkling what the brand - or who/where the moderated post was please PM me - I know tuna is bad but my eppie refuses to eat almost anything else, I have tried all the tricks, believe me. Including mixing a tiny bit of something better in (rejects the entire bowlful), adding flavour enhancers/broth/stock - even tuna water from human-grade tins. Even if she'll eat something other, it's never anything 'good' - always the 'junk' food - and often what she'll eat once she rejects the next time I give it. I have spent a small fortune on trying alternatives.....

The only alternative she will occassionally consider is commercial-type chicken, or sometimes salmon, kibble.  And now she's 13 I dont want to give her dry - and certainly not the 'big' brands.

All the tuna foods I see here in the UK is produced in Thailand - or sourced there if mixed with other ingredients.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2012, 12:09:13 PM »

This one says tuna with rice feed for cats from Thailand. Distribution restricted to notifying country (Italy was the notifying country). sampling date 14/06/2011.  


http://efoodalert.net/2011/10/13/recalls-and-alerts-october-13-2011/

https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/rasff-window/portal/index.cfm?event=notificationDetail&NOTIF_REFERENCE=2011.1419

http://www.pdv.nl/lmbinaries/rasff_week_41-2011.pdf

I'm wondering if it is our old enemy, rice, that is the problem in this case. I have not found anything remotely to suggest rice, just wondering due to the number of articles on human food supply and arsenic.

http://www.foodsmatter.com/allergy_intolerance/cow_milk_all_management/articles/rice_arsenic_1_03.10.html

The WHO on water-related arcenicosis.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/diseases/arsenicosis/en/

My Italian is too limited to translate reports.
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