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2)You use L-Carnitine in you cat food product. It is my understanding that this supplement was banned from import in Canada in March 2006, Why are you using this product? Mal Although L-carnitine was apparently banned here in the Great White North a couple of years ago for human consumption (apparently due, in part, to abuse by bodybuilders), I am still seeing it in some health food stores. It also seems to be all over the web for use in dog and cat food. IAMS, Royal Canin, Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul and others appear to be listing it. These comments caught my eye...... A little searching found this: http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?l-carnitineand, an email to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency get this reply TODAY: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In 1998, carnitine was added to Schedule F of the Food and Drugs Act; Health supplements (products not considered food) are not regulated by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. Health Canada is responsible for the regulation of non-food supplements such as vitamins, natural health products and products.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, I just sent the following reply: You have stated that L-Carnitine is not permitted in food. Is it permitted in pet food? I'll post any response. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2007, 05:29:39 PM » |
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Mal Since you have a kitty (maybe plural?), I thought you might be interested to know about Wellness CORE. It is grain-free, made (whatever that means anymore) in MA and very high in protein. Their package talks about "adding the most meat possible in a dry cat food". http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/wellness/cat_wellness_dry_core.html
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2007, 05:35:33 PM » |
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Oh my goodness, enterococcus faecium. That doesn't sound too yummy. But it's in all sorts of pet food (just Google). What's that all about?
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2007, 05:45:04 PM » |
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Hello everyone:
I see that I do owe a number of people some answers and will try to get to them all today.
Iodine Content:
The ultimate goal of ORIJEN is to approach – as closely as is possible in a kibble - a natural diet. For this reason ORIJEN supplies vitamins and minerals in a natural form, and we formulate with kelp to supply organic minerals useable in the body (unlike many synthetic minerals). Kelp also contains iodine, which is vital in promoting a healthy thyroid. The amount of iodine in ORIJEN is just above the minimum allowed by AAFCO (3.5 mg/kg) and represents a fraction of any maximum iodine level allowed by AAFCO. Please know that the minerals in ORIJEN are in the form and amounts required to promote peak health and conditioning.
The Ash content of Orijen Adult dog is 8.0.
We are updating our web site to include both Iodine and Ash .
The Chicken and Turkey meal that we use come from Canadian plants
L-Carnitine comes from a Canadian Supplier
Taurine is a essential part of a cats diet, we do not add taurine to ORIJEN becasue Taurine is naturally present in fresh meat, ORIJEN has a high percentage of fresh meat (30%) which is cooked at a low temp 185 F. We do include Taurine in our guarnteed analysis.
We use mixed tocopherols (source of Vit E) as a preservative.
Our Herbs and Botanicals were selected my Dr. Steve Marsden to match the natural diet of your pet. They are a daily booster to the imune system and an antioxidant.
Glucosamine, Chrondrotin and L-Caritine are all added to help maintain your pets health. They are not listed as essential by AFFCO meaning they are not necessasry for your pet to survive, but they will help your pet live a better life.
Adult Dog Formula
Iron 200
Vitamin A 32
Sodium 0.25
Ash% 8.0
Iodine 7.5
Vit D3 1.9
Vit B12 465
Vit E 450
I hope this answers all of the questions, if I missed any I appoligise, I understand everyones concerns these days and we are currently inindated with hundreds of emails requesting information. I was hopin gby coming on here that I would be able to answer a number of them.
Champion Petfoods is a small family owned operation. We own our own factory and have one goal.
``Make the World`s Best Pet Food from Fresh Regional Ingredients``
Have a good night
Clark
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2007, 05:24:33 AM » |
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Oh my goodness, enterococcus faecium. That doesn't sound too yummy. But it's in all sorts of pet food (just Google). What's that all about? Enteroccus faecium are natural micro-flora (friendly bacteria) that may help the digestion process thus providing more utilization of food and produce bacteriocins which act as natural antibiotics that kill undesirable micro-organisms in the digestive tract. |
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2007, 07:13:44 AM » |
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Thanks, Laurie, enterococcus faecium actually looks innocuous considering it's included with a number of other micro-organisms to aid digestion, and it's used in a number of foods. It's unfortunate Latin name is kind of yucky though!  |
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2007, 07:17:05 AM » |
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Wilbur...
Since you are so Angry...Why don't you just feed your dog one of those other foods you keep mentioning, and get over it? I don't get it?
You obviously have a big problem with Orijen as many of us have big problems with other foods that we wont feed our pets.
To each his own, right?
Change him to something else that you feel more comfortable with?
Go take your dog for a nice long walk and relax... You sound a little ridiculous...Really!!
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I am going to continue to feed my dog Orijen quite comfortably...
Regardless of the 15,000, 1.9, 2.000, 32 minumun 1.5, 3.5mg acceptable 7.5 of the 5 times 6.9 AAFCO vitamin K, D 3.22 acceptable 4.55 , 7.2, 32,000mcg, per 5.2 NRC. ash, iodine, 500 IU vitamin A,K,D, X, Y, Z Content
I am OK with all of that.
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2007, 07:21:58 AM » |
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I did not mean to sound rediculous.
I apologize if I offended ...I was not angry at all, just perhaps over protective and seeking answers.
I will remove my posts to the thread...
I will not post or add new topics any further, I had thought it was expressing, asking and answering concerns due to the love of our pets...I apologize for my anxiety..
I was seeking clarification on some of the ingredients of Orijen which I have been feeding Wilbur for 3 weeks...
I do want to thank all the people that have been so friendly and that have helped Wilbur and I over this past week..
Sorry again
Ken and Wilbur
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2007, 07:26:02 AM » |
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Since you are so Angry...Why don't you just feed your dog one of those other foods you keep mentioning, and get over it? I don't get it?
You obviously have a big problem with Orijen as many of us have big problems with other foods that we wont feed our pets.
To each his own, right?
Change him to something else that you feel more comfortable with?
Go take your dog for a nice long walk and relax... You sound a little ridiculous...Really!!
It bothers me that anyone be singled out for ridicule here on Itchmo. From reading through the threads, it is blatently obvious that peoples' anxiety levels are sky-high right now. The forum exists to express those anxieties, ask questions and hopefully, receive answers. This kind of personal attack is totally inappropriate here IMHO. |
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2007, 07:28:29 AM » |
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I apologize if I offended ...I was not angry at all, just perhaps over protective and seeking answers
I will remove my posts to the thread...
Sorry again
Ken and Wilbur
Wilbur........ I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU DON'T IMO, you have added to this discussion and THERE'S NOTHING TO BE SORRY ABOUT! |
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2007, 07:31:08 AM » |
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Wilbur..
You dont have to remove your posts and you didn't offend me by any means... I just don't understand why you don't change his food to something you feel better about for you and your dog.
Take Care
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2007, 07:52:37 AM » |
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Ken & Wilbur:
You are asking important questions, and you have every right to ask them. I am like you, I want to believe that Orijen is a safe food, meaning that the nutritional composition is not going to harm my dogs. And I'm not getting answers either. You obviously have done a ton of research and are questioning the answers that you have received because the numbers don't make sense. Asking for clarification is not a punishable offense! It is next to impossible to find a dog food that you are 100% totally thrilled with. I know I haven't found one yet. So keep asking questions until you are satisfied!
Please don't go away because of one person's negative comments. I think many of us have appreciated the dialog you started.
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2007, 08:23:05 AM » |
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I agree that it's important to get answers and the forums are certainly helping us all to be more informed. I do think that it's easy to get bent out of shape with the food recall.
I guess I would just switch foods if I had serious concerns.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2007, 08:58:17 AM » |
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I just wanted to point out that this thread is for Questions for Clark at Orijen. So it is appropriate for people to be asking questions about the product, and to be deciding whether or not that food is safe. If you are already convinced this food is the best thing on the planet, I suggest you go back to the "Orijen...WOW" thread, and don't criticize people who are in this thread to get their questions answered. We are in the right place for such activity.
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2007, 09:09:32 AM » |
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Wilbur, please don't feel embarrassed or discouraged for starting this thread. My feeling is that DaveyD is an overly enthusiastic supporter of Orijen, and is still stinging from some of the personal attacks he received on another Orijen thread. I myself have found it useful to talk through some of the issues raised on that thread, which is what the forum is supposed to be used for.
The thing is, I’ve never encountered any problems in receiving a response from Orijen…and I’ve sent them about 10 emails so far. I’ve been a pretty vocal supporter of Orijen, so while it pains me to see a thread that puts the company in a less than stellar light, I think it’s worthwhile for other pet owners to hear of your difficulties. And apparently, you’re not the only one! I’m glad to see though, that Clark has responded to the queries on this site.
That said, I hope you will continue to post. As others have said, people should not be singled out for their posts, and calling you ‘ridiculous’ is certainly uncalled for. I know we all take a somewhat hesitant step when we first make the decision to post, and I think some feel like they have the monopoly on the forum just because they’ve been here longer/posted more. Don’t let them bully you into changing your posts.
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