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« Reply #120 on: June 12, 2007, 03:17:22 AM » |
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I've been feeding Innova EVO too.
I've ordered a bag of Orijen because I can see in this thread that the company has been responsive & forthcoming - and answered the majority of my own questions. Right now, that says a lot especially in light of the volume of inquiries they must be getting.
And, thank all of you in this thread for asking & posting - it's a tremoundous help.
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« Reply #121 on: June 12, 2007, 06:41:25 AM » |
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Ken and Wilbur, you need to convert the amounts present in Orijen to their dry matter basis to compare to the recommendations. Orijen contains 10% moisture, so you need to do the conversion to a dry matter basis.
As for the variation in the iodine content, I suspect is has to do with the kelp they are using. Kelp is a natural source of iodine, so many vary from batch to batch, or they may have a new supplier of their Nova Scotia kelp.
With regards to cat food, here are the recommendations:
AAFO:
Vitamin A: 5000 IU/kg
Vitamin D: 500IU/kg
Iodine: 0.35 mg/kg
NCR:
Vitamin A: 3333 IU/kg
Vitamin D: 500 IU/kg
Iodine: 0.35 mg/kg
CVMA (Canadian Veterinary Medical Association, which Orijen is likely to follow, since they are in Canada):
Vitmain A: 10000 IU/kg
Vitamin D: 1000 IU/kg
Iodine: 1.00 mg/kg
Waltham Centre for Pet Nutrition:
Vitamin A: 3000 IU/kg
Vitamin D: 250 IU/kg
Iodine: 0.35 IU/kg
Orijen cat food contains the following:
10% moisture
Vitamin A 30 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 1.8 IU/kg
Iodine 4 mg/kg
Now, since Orijen contains 10% moisture, we need to convert these figures to a dry matter basis in the following manner:
Converting values "as fed" to values on a "dry matter" basis
The levels of nutrients in the tables are expressed on a "dry matter" (DM) basis. On most pet food labels, but also in the nutrient database, the levels listed in the guaranteed analysis are expressed on an "as fed" basis. To convert "as fed" to "dry matter" a simple conversion is necessary. If a dry food has a 10% moisture (water) content we know that it must have 90% dry matter.
So, doing the calculations, Orijen contains:
Vitamin A = 3333 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 = 200 IU/kg
Iodine = 0.44 mg/kg
The Orijen values seem to closely match those recommended by the Waltham Centre for Pet Nutrition
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« Reply #122 on: December 22, 2008, 02:13:17 PM » |
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*bump* for review
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« Reply #123 on: December 24, 2008, 02:04:59 AM » |
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Clark, Given it is now known that you have both BHA and BHT in your products (and why did you not know this before??) are you going to label them as such and give consumers the chance to make an informed decision about whether they think it safe to feed your products or not? After your failure to label your Australian food as irradiated I doubt it. And even given everyone in your company was unaware of the irradiation issues initially (which I still find very hard to believe as who organised the products transportation to the treatment facility/who paid for the treatment/did no one bother to read the import conditions?  ) it still does not explain why you were happy to send further shipments to Australia knowing that the irradiation was taking place and yet still did not think it necessary to warn Australians that your food was being irradiated. Most of the peoples whose cats are now affected would never have fed your product if they had known it contained BHA & BHT let alone known it was irradiated. Your commercial decisions have caused the problems with our cats and gone a good way to destroying our lives for an indefinite period. I hope you choose to be honest regarding the BHA & BHT contamination in your product as no more animals and their families need to suffer because of your company's commercial decisions. |
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« Reply #124 on: December 24, 2008, 07:59:51 AM » |
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A question for Shibadiva re: strict EU regulations.
You mentioned that the EU has stricter regulations/standards than the US when it comes to pet food ingredients. I am in switzerland (I know it is not part of the EU, but I would be willing to travel to Germany for cat food) and having a hard time finding quality cat food. I was feeding orijen as it was the only grain free that I could get here. I stopped feeding it with the recall as a precaution, and now with the news of the BHA BHT do not plan on using it anymore. I would love to find a grain free high quality hard and canned food. All that I find in Switzerland are iams, fancy feast, whiskas, hills etc. Are you in the EU? Do you know of an option I am missing?
Currently switched my boys to Almo Nature but am not crazy about it. My one cat has a history of urinary blockages and silica stones. Silica is quite rare in cats, but was basically told by the vet (who seemed none too versed on nutrition) to feed the least amount of plant matter as possible since plants contain silica.
Sorry, I know that this does not go along with subject of questions for Clark, but at the mention of EU standards I could not resist asking.
-nicole
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« Reply #125 on: December 24, 2008, 10:47:28 AM » |
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nicole, do you have vets that practice with natural/alternative medicine there? I've found that here, they tend to be the ones with the more thorough nutritional background. There are also some good natural cat care books out there if you want to explore making your own meals for the cats. Needing a special diet for my dog (low in protein purines because Dals are born stone formers) is what started me down the path. I basically got tired of reading labels and "guessing" that the purines were low based on the label  I switched all my cats over within the next year and they have been "home" fed for 5yrs now. Ages range from 3-16yrs and all healthy n' happy and it's stress free for me with all the commercial food problems we have here (both human and pet). |
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« Reply #126 on: December 24, 2008, 11:50:09 AM » |
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nchinigo, I've been doing some home feeding for my cats too. There are some great recipes on several threads here on itchmo. You could just give a few a try and see if your kitties will eat them. I wouldn't worry about the supplements for the first small test batch. That way if they won't eat it, you won't have wasted a bunch of money on supplements.
Have you tried any online pet food stores? I don't know if you have any available that do that, but might be worth checking into if you haven't already. You might check US and Canada online pet stores to see if they ship pet food to Europe. There must be some good foods you over there that you can have shipped to you though.
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raggiesrule
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« Reply #128 on: December 24, 2008, 11:05:03 PM » |
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Thank you. That is good to hear. After what we have been through because of Orijen I can not bear to think of other families being caused heart break by this company's commercial decisions.
Perhaps I should ask on the other thread if the contaminated food that is already on the shelf will be recalled or at the very least labelled accurately.
Jo
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« Reply #129 on: December 24, 2008, 11:14:31 PM » |
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Good question raggie. I have a bag I will be taking back on friday to the store. I know Clark said that the source of the BHA and BHT would be removed. There are still bags for sale in the stores. Wonder how long before the food without the BHA & BHT will be made and available for sale.
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« Reply #130 on: December 24, 2008, 11:21:48 PM » |
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Currently switched my boys to Almo Nature but am not crazy about it. My one cat has a history of urinary blockages and silica stones. Silica is quite rare in cats, but was basically told by the vet (who seemed none too versed on nutrition) to feed the least amount of plant matter as possible since plants contain silica.
I can understand why you are not crazy about Almo Nature dry or Biopate, but their canned foods and pouches (jelly) are perfectly OK, nothing wrong with a few whole grains of rice in a can. For canned food, Cosma (german) is not bad, though my cats prefer Almo Nature and Applaws. Applaws is UK brand. You can see flavors and ingredients for these foods at http://www.zooplus.com . They don't ship to Switzerland but they have a German website. |
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raggiesrule
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« Reply #131 on: July 04, 2009, 12:52:23 AM » |
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Just wondering what if anything Orijen (Champion) did about their products containing BHA & BHT that were on sale in Nth America? were the products recalled? were there labels put on bags so people knew the product contained BHA & BHT despite the companies claims to the contrary. Are their products now free of BHA & BHT and if so from what date? which best before dates are actually safe to buy if you do not want to feed BHA & BHT?
Seems to me that Champion have gone very quiet on more than the death and illness they caused in Australia.
Jo
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« Reply #132 on: July 04, 2009, 02:39:16 AM » |
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Interesting - I have just been and had a look at the updated Champion site and they have changed their wording on the use of BHA & BHT:
Champion’s ingredients and foods are never preserved with BHA/BHT or any other chemical preservative.
Champion never adds BHA or BHT (or any other chemical preservative) to our pet foods or ingredients, and all ingredients and foods are preserved with our proprietary blend of vitamin E with botanical extracts.
As BHA and BHT are typically present in pet food ingredient supply chains (for example, BHA and BHT are often present in the feed fed to chickens, turkey or duck) we work with our suppliers to ensure our ingredients enable Champion’s final product standards.
Champion’s BHA, BHT standard is set at true trace level not to exceed 5 ppm (parts per million) of BHA/BHT, which is 0.0005%, or one half of one thousandth of 1% – the lower limit of what most certified laboratories are able to detect or measure.
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