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Author Topic: Problems with Orijen in Australia  (Read 341327 times)
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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2008, 08:09:00 AM »

I hope this doesnt turn out to be another one of those situations where the recall grows and grows and grows like last year......I hope they can isolate the source of the problem quickly.
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2008, 09:17:08 AM »

We feed Orijen Adult and Orijen Six Fish dog kibble, rotating thru one bag and then starting the other, to Jake along w/ some homecooking.  I'm wondering if it wouldn't be wise to put the Orijen dog kibble on hold until we have a definite answer.  Dog food in USA is a bit of a leap from cat food in Australia, but sitll it is a concern.  Jake was allergic to other kibbles that he would "agree" to eat, and he refused others.  Some of the "others" he refused were later recalled.  He loves the Orijen, particularly the Six Fish, to the extent that he will look up at the countertop where we keep a small container of it and bark if none is included in his meal. 

Any mention of Orijen dog kibble anywhere?  Is there no safe haven except back to 100% home cooked?
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2008, 09:22:54 AM »

carolo -- the only mention of any dog issues I have seen is here at this forum on post #5.
http://www.cat-world.com.au/forums/index.php?showtopic=87540

My money is on salinomycin which I have just learned is an "agriculture antibiotic" given to ruminants--mostly chickens and then not all of them however....not liking what I have read so far...hope this is not the case...anyone else here have better info about this? Huh
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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2008, 09:31:31 AM »

I sent out another of my infamous mass emails to all my buds w/little furry ones.  Some of them feed the dog food, not sure if any of them feed the cat food.  I'll leave it up to them to decide what to do.

My very own personal opinion (if anyone cares Shocked) is to err on the side of caution as I believe someone else mentioned.  If I had Hannah on Orijen right now, she would be off it for now.

During the recalls, I pulled her off a ton of food that was not recalled but something else within the company's line had been recalled.  You can well imagine how many dry foods I had to pull her off......lots!  I'd rather be safe (or too safe) than sorry. Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2008, 10:13:47 AM »

Just saw this on another board, haven't seen it here yet (if I mssed it, culd moderators please merge):

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/cat-deaths-linked-to-pet-food/2008/11/23/1227375062012.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/24/2427915.htm?section=justin

The most disturbing part is about developing the symptoms even 12 months later after stopping the food.

Since I use this food, I am quite upset and can't stop thinking about what could it possibly be? To cause paralysis up to 12 months after the consumption is stopped?

Symptoms occuring 12 months after stopping? This doens't sound like it was the food. What did they feed or expose the cats to during the 12 months after feeding Orijen? Were they all using the same cat litter? There is some discussion on another board that maybe the bags could have been exposed to something. But irridation is not supposed to leave anything to cause harm - is uses radiation and not chemicals and the symptoms sound like nuerological disorders that would be caused by chemicals. It is the same food as well that is fed around the world....so why are other cats not dropping like flies in other countries?

EDITED JUST NOW: Read the link to the irridated food (pdf file)...okay maybe what I was reading wasn't the whole story.....certainly provides food for thought....I can't say one way or the other if the documents I read were not biased one way or the other.  Maybe irridation does change things and could have caused a problem with the food. Maybe it doesn't. This is going to be interesting to see what the results are. I hope that it is something simple that can be fixed and not widespread. Do we irridate food coming into the US from Canada?
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2008, 11:11:16 AM »

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com:80/articles/168/1/Update-on-Orijen-Pet-Food/Page1.html

an update from Susan Thixton
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2008, 11:32:40 AM »

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pdfs/0644.pdf
Triphenyl phosphate caused delayed paralysis in cats.  Following a single injection, two of six cats developed paralysis 16 - 18 days after the injection. Neurotoxins CAN have delayed effects. As I understand the article, the longest time frame for the paralysis to develop was a year.  Many cases developed more rapidly.  After the March, April, May, 2007 recalls, and this fall's milk product recalls, I see nothing wrong with people being cautious.
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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2008, 11:39:38 AM »

Even if this stays in Australia I can't help but remember finding out the melamine nightmare had happened in Asia in 2004 and then of course 3 years later we were the victims so I really think following this closely is important...just can never have too much info I think!  Imagine if we had this forum and our concerns back in 2004???
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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2008, 11:51:01 AM »


Thanks for the post Carol. I read through the article. The issue of nutrient loss is pretty scary. I just read one link about Thiamine loss in cats and this article mentions this. Have my eyes been opened today about food irridation. Doesn't appear to be as simple as killing a few bacteria or as harmless as other articles made it sound.....
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« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2008, 11:54:10 AM »

Susan Thixton on her latest update said that the results of the tests will be on champion's web site wed, 11/26. I'm hoping it is due to the radiation of the food coming into that country and not anything on the pet food mfrs. side as this would totally suck for a lot of people who have transitioned their pets to Orijen. Maybe its another company looking to boost their sales IMO, and trying to give Orijen a bad name, anyone looking into that as another possibilty?
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« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2008, 11:56:15 AM »

JJ, are you thinking of sabotage?  Or just simply that another company might be spreading false information?
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« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2008, 11:59:08 AM »

http://www.cat-world.com.au/forums/index.php?showtopic=87540

This forum starts before the news breaks and then has two of the pet owners affected I believe...
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« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2008, 12:12:49 PM »

Our own alek0 has posted on the cat-world Australia forum that Carol linked to.

And see post #37 on that thread.  A Canadian, who heard about the Australian problem and did some digging through the Australian forum, seems to be saying that some reports were starting about a month ago.
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« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2008, 12:14:53 PM »

I keep being reminded of last year's discussion of the chicken jerky treats, and some theorizing that irradiation was responsible for some of the problems noted there.
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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2008, 01:01:02 PM »

Apologies if this has been posted already. There is a link on the Champion PF site, with a letter from Peter:

http://www.championpetfoods.com/Australia_Consumer_Release.pdf

He references a Vet Pathology article about irradiation:

http://www.vetpathology.org/cgi/content/full/44/6/912

Susan Thixton is doing a fine job of keeping us updated.
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