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« Reply #225 on: November 30, 2008, 05:28:27 PM »

There is a PDF file now on Orijen website that is newer than the last I saw, although it is dated November 28 and includes results of testing done at this point.  Orijen will continue to investigate.
http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/Australia_Consumer_Release_Nov28.pdf

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« Reply #226 on: November 30, 2008, 05:35:16 PM »

I was just about to post that link.

I have few questions for Clark.

1. In the pdf file it is said "no equivalent cases are reported outside Australia". I would appreciate clarification whether that means "no cats on Orijen with ataxia and paralysis outside Australia" or this means "some cases of ataxia and paralysis outside Australia, but circumstances and symptoms exhibited are somewhat different".

2. Is any testing for organophosphates planned? Do you plan to test for contaminants known to cause ataxia and paralysis, such as citreoviridin, salinomycin, etc.?
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« Reply #227 on: November 30, 2008, 05:43:27 PM »

Thanks carolo, I was looking for the link where the old one was.  Looks like they have done some extensive testing there.  I would like to read through results, so hope they can post them sometime soon.  Radiolytic by-product amounts and the packaging tests seem important to me.

My heart sank to read about the research fund to look further at irradiation and disease in cats.  I sure hope more cats don't die in the process of testing this.
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« Reply #228 on: November 30, 2008, 06:44:37 PM »

I would like to add one more question for Clark

Michelle has posted on Cat World australia board stated that the tests were run in-house, yet the pdf file posted on website lists several independent labs. How recent are those tests, and have they actually been done on samples of food from Australia?
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« Reply #229 on: November 30, 2008, 08:36:22 PM »

Hello AlexO

The test have all been done in the last few weeks. Those include in house test and those we sent out to labs in Canada, the U.S. and Australia. The test were done on product from our plant and from Australia both.
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« Reply #230 on: November 30, 2008, 08:39:25 PM »

Thank you for your response.

Can you clarify the difference between two pdf files posted on Champion website, one on Nov. 26 saying "ZERO cases outside Australia" and one on Nov. 28 saying "no equivalent cases outside Australia"?

Why has a much stronger statement "ZERO cases" been changed to a weaker one "no equivalent cases"? Have there been any reports of ataxia in cats on Orijen outside Australlia?
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« Reply #231 on: November 30, 2008, 09:09:52 PM »

Alex0

No confirmed cases have been reported outside of Australia. If this has changed when I return to the office tomorrow morning I will notify you on this site.
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« Reply #232 on: November 30, 2008, 09:25:21 PM »

I continue to be amazed at the depth of research done by members here and what it turns up. 

Clark, could you please address the following concerns?

1. What process does Orijen, and other dry dog and cat food from Canada, go thru in order to clear Customs coming into USA? 

2. What about Orijen's canine kibble, such as Orijen Adult that ships into Australia?  I'm assuming it got the same treatment/mistreatment that the Orijen dry cat food went thru.  Any reported problems w/ the Orijen dog food that went to Australia? 

3.  Is the same packaging material used for dog and cat kibble by Orijen?  I'm just guessing that identical packaging is used for USA, Australia, Europe, and Asia by Orijen, but is that the case?  (I've been very satisfied with the way Orijen packages their dog food.  Now I wonder if the material is safe to use when exposed to whatever U.S. Customs may do now or in the future and hope that will be addressed.)

TIA,
Carol & Jake-the-pup

1. Our food is currently trucked to the U.S. from our facilty. The trucks can go through a physical inspection by U.S. Customs, USDA or the FDA. The FDA frequently pulls samples for testing. If a further inspection is required the truck is unloaded.

2. ORIJEN Dog Food went throught the same irradiation process as the cat food. To date no dogs have reported any systems, cats are far more sensitive to the affects of irradiation on kibble than dogs. 2 cases have been reported of cats coming down with the syndrom after eating ORIJEN Dog Food, because of this we are currently having ur distributor contact all retail stores and having the dog food pulled from the shelves. We do not want to take the chance of any more cats eating ORIJEN Dog Food in a multi-pet home. We are not recalling the dog food.

3. We use the same packaging in the U.S. as do everywhere else in the world. As I previously stated our food currently goes through a physical inspection at the border. In the future if this changes we will immediatly review the affects on the kibble. Currrently we are awaitng lab results on the affects of irradiation on our packaging.

Since we made the announcement regarding the study we are going to fund on the affects of irradiation on Pet Food, a number on you have expressed your concern that even more cats will be feed irradiated food. It is our intention for this study to be done without the use of live cats.

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« Reply #233 on: November 30, 2008, 09:29:03 PM »

Thank you for prompt response.

Could you tell us what is the packaging made of?
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« Reply #234 on: November 30, 2008, 09:34:17 PM »

That's a good point carolo - if the inner liner is made of that OPP, and they do scan, or start scanning, truck cargo across the borders, will that create a problem?  The scan doses are a lot lower than irradiation of food for microbe treatment, but can go up if they have to focus on one point.  And if OPP isn't good for irradiation, it probably isn't good at any level.

Very good question.
Currently we are awaiting lab results of irradiaton on our packaging. We will be having it tested at various levels. A low level scan of a container is far different than the irradiation process in Australia. The container is actually unloaded and the bags are loaded into a small cart and put through at very high level of irradiaton (levels over 60kGY), then restacked onto pallets are loaded back into the shipping container.
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« Reply #235 on: November 30, 2008, 09:34:34 PM »

That's a good point carolo - if the inner liner is made of that OPP, and they do scan, or start scanning, truck cargo across the borders, will that create a problem?  The scan doses are a lot lower than irradiation of food for microbe treatment, but can go up if they have to focus on one point.  And if OPP isn't good for irradiation, it probably isn't good at any level.
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« Reply #236 on: November 30, 2008, 09:45:30 PM »

Clark, thank you so much for complete, detailed answers to all my questions.  BTW, is the Orijen sold in Australia labeled to show it has been irradiated?  Would that be done after the irradiation process or would you have to have it on the bags as they leave your plant? 
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« Reply #237 on: November 30, 2008, 09:56:58 PM »


2. ORIJEN Dog Food went throught the same irradiation process as the cat food. To date no dogs have reported any systems, cats are far more sensitive to the affects of irradiation on kibble than dogs. 2 cases have been reported of cats coming down with the syndrom after eating ORIJEN Dog Food, because of this we are currently having ur distributor contact all retail stores and having the dog food pulled from the shelves. We do not want to take the chance of any more cats eating ORIJEN Dog Food in a multi-pet home. We are not recalling the dog food.

Are you issuing any type of notice that equals a recall (in importance/media distribution) so that multi-pet homes are aware the dog food is bad for cats in case they already have it in the food bowls? Also, small dog owners may want to be aware. I'm in a multi pet home and mine don't care what species the food was made for  Wink
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« Reply #238 on: November 30, 2008, 10:25:44 PM »

Clark on my post #244 I had asked something that has not be addressed as of yet. To ask again but slightly differently - when the Orijen is being manufactured are any of the different foods, chicken, fish etc and any of the ingredients in the final product irradiated before being put into the packages that end up in pet owners homes?
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« Reply #239 on: November 30, 2008, 11:09:05 PM »

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a minimum of 50kGy

What?! Isn't that 5 times higher than recommended max?
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