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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2008, 05:31:11 AM »

In the time it took for me to post my previous post and to come back and read your two posts, I went to my Mom's apartment and took away all her Orijen.  I've removed all my Orijen from my main shelf and have moved it to the closet.

For now, I am not going to feed Orijen.

I divvied up the remaining 2 cups or so of Core I had left between my mom and me.  The 4 don't like it much...but then again, they don't much like Orijen unless I generously dust it with freeze-dried chicken.


I'm going to order Katz N Flocken and Artemis Adult -- both ones they're used to -- and stop feeding Orijen.


ANDYcat - Thank you for that link.  I remember when news broke of BSE and how there were reports that it was infected cows only in certain areas...or how one cow got the disease on a particular farm, but "not to worry" because it was "only one cow."  I was never much of a red meat eater anyway, so I decided to stop eating it.  But then there were more outbreaks, and I became much more aware of not eating anything with beef stock or anything remotely beef-based.  For years I was really aware of checking labels for anything to do with beef.  Now, more years later, I still don't eat beef, but I feel comfortable enough with it to eat something if it's made with beef stock, and I do feed my cats things with beef.  But I do think about BSE every time I serve it.  I hope I'll be able to use the rest of my Orijen.  I just recently bought three 2.5kg bags.  I hope they find some kind of news soon.  For the time being, my heart goes out to those who lost their loved ones.

Carol - Thank you for telling me about your situation to help me make a decision.  Of course I'm sure you know that there was absolutely no way that you could have known that what you were buying and feeding to your two - the brands you were trusting - could have been....it's hard to even write it, it's just so unbelievable.  I mean, how do any of us know?  Why on earth does it have to be this hard?  I've read your posts and you have given so much important information.  Much warmth to you.



I did a lot of research before getting my kitties to find out what foods to buy and what foods not to buy.....why did I not see any information about dry vs wet or grain vs grain-free?  I wish I had started off with raw or homemade food.  Sorry, now I'm getting off topic.  This is just all so upsetting.  


5CatMom - You were posting while I was typing.  Yes, it does seem like this is truly a good opportunity to try a transition again.  I wasn't successful with homemade when I tried it several times over a few months.  I made a yummy-sounding Kaffe recipe   Smiley  but the little buggers snubbed it all.  I think I did see Instincts TC being sold in Japan.  Maybe I should give it a try.  Mooch likes a tbsp of Prowl every night, but won't take more than that.  The other three won't even give it a lick.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2008, 05:54:26 AM »

I am also discontinuing Orijen until more data is available. I wanted to go back to Felidae but it seems out of stock in HK, so I guess I'll order NV either salmon or chicken since these two seem to be only ones available. One other alternative is to try Serengeti again, they were doing well on it before new formula, but I don;t like sneaky way formula changed and my student took sample bag and his cats wouldn't eat it (mine and his have very similar preferences).

And of course I will continue Ziwipeak and their usual wet. I keep telling myself that Orijen was about 1/4 or less than that of their food intake, so even if there is a problem with it, they should hopefully be fine.

Argh, I sooo hate that. So much time spent to find a food with decent ingredients, that everyone is willing to eat, that does not contain any China ingredients, good experiences with finding it, feeding it, textbook poops, great shiny fur, and then what...
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2008, 05:58:51 AM »

August,

You'll do fine.  If you can cook (even a little) for your family, you can make cat food. 

It's really not hard.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes.  Any questions, just ask.

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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2008, 06:07:11 AM »

One thing I see on other sites is that this seems to be just in Australia but how many of us think that here in the US we have a system that could catch the complaints from various places....How many vets ask what food a pet is on...how many vets or pet owners take the time to contact pet food companies with complaints...I think of my two cats back in Feb and March of last year and can't help but wonder how many other vets had a couple of sick kitties and pups too at that tsame time but nobody ever put two and two together and if there were tens of thousands affected then why did it not come to a head until MF had test pets die?  So IF i had seen any progress in having a single nationwide contact point that vets could access-- as well as pet owners....maybe I would feel better about this being an isolated problem... sorry for the rant... Embarrassed
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2008, 06:15:36 AM »

Until it is proven otherwise, I think those who feed Orijen but don't live in Australia are wise to put it on hold.  Remember the pet deaths in Asia in 2004?  First explained as aflatoxin, later found to be melamine.  And I suspect it was not confined to Asia, because my cat who was eating the same products became suddenly very ill and died at the same time.  I've heard a few rumblings of the same from others.  So sometimes the whole story is late in surfacing.

If there is one thing that 2007 taught me, it is that it's better to be safe than sorry.

The Orijen problem may be confined to Australia, but until the cause is definitively traced, I think it's better to be cautious.  BTW my cats ate this food from Nov  or Dec 07 to May 08.
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2008, 06:23:23 AM »

I agree, with experiences from last year and late confirmations of affected food (remember announcements no need to worry about cross-contamination and then weeks later foods recalled due to cross contamination, just to mention one example).

Btw, I found a lab which can test for organophosphates and heavy metals (lead, mercury and arsenic) for 3000 HK$ in total, unfortunately they can;t test for salinomycin. I'll wait to see how situation develops, change the food and if it is conclusively linked to the food then test the batch I have for my own peace of mind. I don't think I want to spend next whole year worrying about whether symptoms will develop.

Forgot to add: although salinomycin has been implicated in "epidemic" of paralysis associated with certain dry foods in Netherlands in 1996, it is rapidly metabolized and wouldn't cause such delayed onset of symptoms as described here.

However, since salinomycin is commonly used in chickens, and all reported cases seem to be localized to one area (namely Sydney, haven;t seen any from other places), could it be that there is another common factor, like feeding raw chicken wings and chicken necks from a local source, which is a common practice in Australia and as such wouldn't be seen as suspect?

Just wondering, since it is still not clear to me how can you conclusively link something to a food consumed up to one year ago? If all affected cats ate Orijen at a time when symptoms first developed, I could understand that, but this is a real mystery and I don;t see how can it be conclusively established since there are too many variables. It is hard to find anything which would have such severe effect (paralysis) with no other symptoms at all, good blood panels etc., and which would appear such long time after the source of whatever it is has been discontinued? Seems to me that possibility that some vets have seen a couple of cases in cats which are on Orijen, and are trying to stretch the nice and simple explanation (must be that new expensive food) to fit those cases observed in cats which are currently not on Orijen.

So I guess best thing to do is to put it on hold until more information becomes available. And worry a lot in the meantime Sad I just can't get that question out of my head, if symptoms appear one year after food has been stopped, how can they know what is the culprit, and if their guess is correct, how can we know that anything we feed is safe?
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2008, 06:31:43 AM »

Someoneon the CatWorld forum is treating their affected cat with SAMe and B vitamin shots.  They posted this report on thiamine deficiency from a chicken based pet food causing similar symptoms to what is going on in Au:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1695079&pageindex=1

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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2008, 06:46:42 AM »

this is the part that troubles me the most....unless this Peter guy was misquoted... Huh

The marketing manager of Champion Petfoods, Peter Muhlenfeld, confirmed yesterday the cat deaths had been traced back to Orijen's dry cat food, and the problem appeared to be restricted to Australia.

He said samples sent back by the Australian distributor had a "strange odour". The company is investigating whether irradiation upon entry into Australia was the source of the contamination.


from this source   http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/cat-deaths-linked-to-pet-food/2008/11/23/1227375062012.html

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2008, 07:08:46 AM »

Ugh, this is not good news.

Both of my cats have been eating Orijen kibble since it arrived on the Canadian market. The 18 year old just had his annual vet checkup and he came through with flying colours, other than the CRF that he's had for five years and old age. His back legs do wobble on occasion; he has lost a lot of muscle mass there over the years, but he jumps and moves well. The 12 year old just had her annual blood and urine work done yesterday, so we will see. Her physical exam went well.

This does not make me happy, though, and I believe we may be picking up Core, although that's Wellness, which is done by Menu Foods.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2008, 07:12:16 AM »

Susan Thixton

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/167/1/Warning---Orijen-Pet-Food-linked-to-Cat-Deaths/Page1.html
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2008, 07:18:51 AM »

This was posted by RUSTYcat on the pets.ca forum:

RUSTYcat writes:

I was just looking on another Australian forum where a member has posted what is stated to be Champion's "formal" announcement:

"Champion Petfoods is announcing the voluntary recall of its ORIJEN brand cat food sold in Australia. Consumers are asked to stop feeding ORIJEN cat food and return any unused portion to the place of purchase for a full refund.
Limited to Australia, this recall is based upon a number of cats within the Sydney area taking ill after consuming ORIJEN cat food. Champion Petfoods is working closely with the Australian veterinary community to conduct a comprehensive and ongoing program of laboratory tests.Although results
are unable to link ORIJEN cat food to illness in cats, we are recalling our product as a precautionary measure.
Due to the highly localized nature of incidents, the recall is issued for AUSTRALIA ONLY and research efforts are now directed toward identifying local factors unique to Australia.
ORIJEN is made with chicken, fish and egg that are passed ‘fit for human
consumption’ in Canada and processed fresh. As these meats are included FRESH,
ORIJEN products sold in Australia are required by law to undergo an irradiation
treatment prior to distribution in Australia.

The irradiation requirement is unique to Australia.

Champion Petfoods is an award-winning, family-owned pet food maker. Our mission is to produce the healthiest and safest pet foods on earth – a mandate in which our entire staff are fully and passionately engaged. We are proud of our 25 year history of making world-class pet foods.
For further information relating to ORIJEN or Champion Petfoods, please contact me
directly by telephone at 780 939.6888 or email at peter@championpetfoods.com."


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=58511

I would assume, based on the above if the illnesses are happening in Australia only and the symptoms fit that perhaps this is a problem with the irradiation process.  However, I do agree that  the safest thing to do is stop feeding this food until more information is released.  My cats don't eat Orijen, but I would stop using this product until there is a definite answer.  Has anyone contacted Orijen directly?
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2008, 07:28:25 AM »

I did send Peter M at Champion the salinomycin pdf link to see if they had looked at that.

If it's a batch issue that was sent to Australia or a radiation of a batch upon arrival.. Is ruling out chickens & salinomycin possible cos we don't know where they source the ingredients? Either way, better safe than sorry.. sigh.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2008, 07:30:35 AM »

I sent them email and called twice a couple of weeks ago about a different subject.

So far, no reply.

On this subject, I'll try again but will have to wait for them to open in Canada.  I'm in the Central Time Zone.

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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2008, 07:31:25 AM »

I just checked their website and didn't find anything up about the problem in Australia.
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2008, 08:02:59 AM »

Ealy warning is much better than after the fact discovery of a terminal condition.
This is what the CVM is supposed to be doing, but thanks, Itchmo, for doing
their job. Safety first until it can be explained.
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