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« Reply #720 on: July 23, 2007, 04:43:20 PM » |
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Thank you Mr Atkins for posting the lab results. My cat especially thanks you, she can go back to her California Natural now.
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« Reply #721 on: July 23, 2007, 05:05:42 PM » |
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Has your vet ruled out all other conditions for elevated values? Thyroid, pancreatic problems, diabetes,fatty liver, etc.. there are so many causes i can't remember them all.
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« Reply #722 on: July 23, 2007, 05:23:56 PM » |
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Do you also intend to link them to the recall information on the front page?
Good point. It's not on the main page, not on the news page, and not on the site map. So unless someone clicks on the link from within this thread, they're not going to see this info. I hope PAtkins gets that fixed soon. I don't know if we will see them make that update. I don't think they would want to advertise this. Yes - I also noticed that there was no way I could find it directly from their web page. The link does not say anything in it about contaminents being found in their food so no reason to hide it from the public. Also, they never did answer my questions about their Innova canned cat food. My cat is still eating it but decided to go with Wellness Core for dry food instead of Innova EVO - doesn't have all that powdery residue either. |
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« Reply #723 on: July 23, 2007, 05:37:23 PM » |
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I wonder if Itchmo will add this post by PA to the main board? I mean I give PA credit for doing the tests and posting the links to the lab results. I DO wish he would address the OTHER issues...but I may go back to CA Natural and mix it with Evangers..I dunno MAYBE using less till more is known would be helpful......I wish he would read ALL of the comments and address all the food issues BUT he did one ..no 2 better than any other pet food company by posting here at all......
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« Reply #724 on: July 23, 2007, 06:06:47 PM » |
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« Reply #725 on: July 23, 2007, 06:48:26 PM » |
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Thank you Mr Atkins for following up & posting the results. However until they fix the quality control issues[strange things in food] I will continue to homecook. Also Expertox still found acetaminophen in Donna's sample. When I called Evangers about my chi getting sick;the owner Joel said contaminants could be in only 1 part of a food run.Until they all figure out a way to keep them out totally I'll pass.
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« Reply #726 on: July 23, 2007, 07:12:20 PM » |
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It is good to see the communications. I heard Back from Natura about the rice sourcing on the California Natural Health bars and they said the rice is U.S. grown in the mid-south states. I was relieved to get an answer. Thanks! Am I missing something here? I can see where the vitamin pre-mix was tested for cyanuric acid and melamine, but not the acetaminophen. I will keep looking. If someone else spots it, please post. Thanks! (I am probably missing it on one of the other 2 labs' results.) http://www.naturapet.com/images/InnovaAdultDry-MidwestLaboratories.pdf |
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« Reply #727 on: July 23, 2007, 07:17:47 PM » |
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I think we should all keep each other updated. If anyone buys a new bag/can of a Natura product, could you post whether it looks OK or whether it still has plastic crap in it? When I see a few months of good reports, I'll feel better about going back to CalNat. (Wish I could now, as she doesn't seem too fond of the other dry foods I've tried and she really loves the CalNat.)
I wonder what happened to Donna's batch that had the CA and acetaminophen in it. The contaminants had to come from somewhere - maybe further down the line? I know Natura makes their own dry food; does anyone know if they package it themselves too?
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« Reply #728 on: July 23, 2007, 07:24:28 PM » |
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I know Natura makes their own dry food; does anyone know if they package it themselves too? OF Interesting that you bring this up, at one point I would have questioned that like why would you have one company make the food and another package it but that is exactly what is done for some of these companies. Seems crazy to me but what do I know about how things are done. Anyway that is a good question, maybe the contaminants came in at the packaging place?? db  |
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« Reply #729 on: July 23, 2007, 07:44:00 PM » |
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I know Natura makes their own dry food; does anyone know if they package it themselves too? OF Interesting that you bring this up, at one point I would have questioned that like why would you have one company make the food and another package it but that is exactly what is done for some of these companies. Seems crazy to me but what do I know about how things are done. Anyway that is a good question, maybe the contaminants came in at the packaging place?? db I wonder how Acetaminophen found its way into some foods. Donna's sample was not the only one to test positive by ExperTox. I wonder about other chemicals also found by various labs (but most of these were in other foods, so that topic belongs on another thread) I wonder about alot of things, but these lab reports address the larger part of the Innova issue. As for the monofilament/fishing line/sutures looking strings that protruded from the pieces of kibble, could that have been from the type of feed bags I have seen, possibly used for some of the ingredients? It's possible that packaging material could get into finished product. I guess. This week I will be talking to someone who has actually toured the Natura plant where the dry foods are made. If anyone has questions that should be added to my own, either post here or pm me. Posting here would be best, since we have our own little "think tank" going. It also allows Natura to see what is on our minds. |
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« Reply #730 on: July 23, 2007, 07:49:02 PM » |
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It's possible that packaging material could get into finished product. I guess. Carolo Very possibel, if the bag of ingredients is cut open over the hopper and a piece of plastic falls in, some of the string could fall in, even the whole bag could have slipped out of someones hands and fallen in and gotten torn up?? Lots of scenarios. db |
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« Reply #731 on: July 23, 2007, 07:51:04 PM » |
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I have to agree with Klondike . Why wasn't the vitamin pre mix tested for acetaminophen?
They hace their manufacturing plant in Nebraska, maybe they'll come back and tell us if they produce and package all the dry food there.. They also have a research kennel there with dogs and cats. i wonder if any of them have been sick?
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« Reply #732 on: July 23, 2007, 07:57:11 PM » |
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Kittylyda-
My cats have had bloodwork recently- one had elevated liver, one had elevated kidney (they are 3). They both eat Innova Evo. The cat with elevated kidney had urinalysis and it appeared to be fine. His second round of bloodwork comes back tomorrow. The cat with elevated liver will go in for her second round of blood work this week.
They both had diarrhea before the bloodwork, so the vet thought that might have been causing the elevated levels.
If they both eat the same food, I'm not sure why they wouldn't have the same elevated issues (if food was the cause).
Not sure what to do as far as food now.
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« Reply #733 on: July 23, 2007, 08:02:37 PM » |
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If they both eat the same food, I'm not sure why they wouldn't have the same elevated issues (if food was the cause). Mickey That is an easy one, all animals, including humans, react differently to a stimulus. You could have a third cat that showed absolutely no problems what so ever, that would be really baffling. We see that here with our dogs, some will have diarrhea while others don't, could be the heat, could be the water, could be the phase of the moon, who knows. Remember don't switch foods constantly, that will give them the runs from that alone. Stay with what you are feeding until you get word from the vet and can verify what the problems are, then you can make a decision based on fact. One thing I have seen from the food forums is that people are changing foods too often, try something for a few days, then change etc. You have to give them some time on each food for them to stablize db  |
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« Reply #734 on: July 23, 2007, 08:04:00 PM » |
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Okay, I'm really lost here. It's Monday. I'm going in circles anyway.
Where are the results on the samples that Donna sent to Natura? I believe that if she had results back from Natura that she would have posted, positive or negative. Testing around in the production run for the general kibble or just the premix is great. What about the tests on Donna's sample?
It's fairly obvious that when some production issues happen that they aren't consistent... The chunks weren't as prominent in some of the pictures, majorly prominent in others. Not all bags had blue stuff sticking out of the kibble, not all had the stringy stuff, not all had the solid stuff sticking out, not all had large black/brown chunks, etc...I don't even think the melamine & cyanuric acid levels were even consistent (media articles & FDA media conferences?) in the recalled foods... One answer to Debsue about the chunks from Natura and another from Expertox. Has anybody else got the large dark chunks to disolve or determined if it was part of the premix?
I'm glad they posted the results they did and I'm less stressed about having to dust the grit off the EVO and feeding it to Geneva..
But, still it's Monday and I'm still going in circles with the holes in the picture
... and there's no production issues addressed, and unless my mind is totally on vacation, no addressing the samples that Donna sent. I'd have been happier to see them post the results from testing the samples that Donna sent.
... I guess I'm gun shy after all the safe, not safe, safe, here's another recall.... since March it's been a nightmare not knowing where the next shoe would fall...
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