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« Reply #570 on: July 15, 2007, 06:48:38 PM » |
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Dingbat: I love those definitions.....especially risk assessment. Wouldn't surprise me to see something similar in the FDA spin manual. I don't know about the rest of you but the tests coming back from Expertox are certainly something to give me pause, the way the company has dealt with this (not testing the sample that Donna sent them & then trying to say she never sent it) also made me think twice about this company. It just gets my sick little paranoid mind to wonder if they can't even be truthful about whether or not a customer sent a sample to them for testing, how truthful can they be about what goes into their food & all their wonderful 121 point testing. Nevertheless, the biggie for me were those pics. The hair, blue plastic & nylon thread (or whatever it is) certainly sent chills down my spine. Whether the food contains toxins in acceptable levels or it doesn't, the crap sticking out of the kibble should not be there & is not going to be consumed by my dog PERIOD. I was (for a while) feeding a small amount of kibble & the rest was home-made food but as soon as I lost faith in Natura products, that did it for me & commercial food. There were only a few on my list anyway & that scared me. I'd rather take a chance with our food (hopefully the "dilution factor" will save me & my dog from a terrible death because I think our food is also tainted). We will never get an honest answer from our government or any of their agencies but suffice it to say that their very own quote (the FDA I believe) that NO amount of melamine is acceptable in food.....but when the truth came out about hogs, chicken & fish having consumed the tainted food with melamine, all of a sudden this "dilution factor" came out of nowhere so now it's ok for all of us to be consuming this garbage.....& we probably have been consuming it for years. Our pets too. Very sad that there's really nobody we can trust.......  |
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« Reply #571 on: July 15, 2007, 06:50:55 PM » |
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Dingbat- Keep talking that way & someone will try to recruit you. The FDA & USDA will be knocking on your door ! You actually made more sense than they do.
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« Reply #572 on: July 15, 2007, 06:52:12 PM » |
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Sorry......meant to ask a question in that last post & forgot. Donna....or anyone who might happen to know......where are the latest pics with the hair & thread hanging out of the kibble? I had a friend here & wanted to show them to her & searched high & low & never did find them. Anybody know what page? ?? |
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« Reply #573 on: July 15, 2007, 07:23:42 PM » |
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« Reply #574 on: July 15, 2007, 07:57:20 PM » |
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Keep talking that way & someone will try to recruit you. LeslieK Comes from years of discussing these topics with a friend and learning how to decipher political speak. It is not what they say as much as what they don't say, like "there is no wide spread contamination" that leads us to believe that there is no contamination but they didn't say that. They said not widespread, the public hears NONE when they didn't say that, if they ever get challenged they can use 'plausible deniability' to get out of it, which is to say, they never said NONE just not widespread. make sense, then you too can join the ranks of the insane, like me. db  |
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« Reply #575 on: July 15, 2007, 10:30:47 PM » |
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prefer the oxymoron, Safely Contaminated Offy Brings to mind a few other gov sayings, like 'dilution factor', 'risk assessment'. My translation: dilution factor = we know there is some poison in there but we don't know how much and since we don't know how much we can't say if it is really dangerous or not but we think there isn't much and what there is should be diluted down to the point that it shouldn't be a problem so we come up with the next phrase. risk assessment = since we aren't sure how much will kill you but we know that some may die and some may not, then those of you that do die have a higher risk of dying than those of you that don't die but since we don't know what the cut off point is then you should observe the following, if you die then you have a 100% risk of dying, however if you didn't die then your risk is substantially lower. db Dingbat: Ha, ha ha ha ah... fall down on the floor laughing...  Have you considered writing a new dictionary for Pet Guardians? We can call it, "What Does It Really Mean? A Guide to Petfood Corporate-Speak and FDA Palliatives." I know I'll buy a copy. BTW, your definitions are sooooooo FDA and their client petfood companies, if you know what I mean. |
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« Reply #576 on: July 15, 2007, 11:35:30 PM » |
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db - standard manipulation tactics - how very true and the more people that believe this the easier it is to get out of anything resembling truth. I never believe that once something is found to be wrong with a food that it will ever be 'fixed' to be like it was. Better off to stop eating it and/or feeding it to your pet than take a chance. Thanks to Donna we now get another chance by removing this food and others from Natura from their diet.
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« Reply #577 on: July 15, 2007, 11:54:51 PM » |
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CAUTION GRAPHIC Rendering pit photos from rendering industry equipment supplier. The first photos obviously has a cow's head in the pit. The lower right photo I have been worried about. You can copy it to disk and pull it up in a photo viewer for better details. I checked with my state's laws and if a dog were in "meat meal" or byproducts, you are supposed to declare it separately on the label. And who would do that? I won't feel safe about that until there is a national law prohibiting pets and lab animals from being rendered into food. http://www.goodmanconveyor.com/renderinganimalprotein.html Graphic is right, the cow looks like its still alive with that look in the eye. |
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« Reply #578 on: July 16, 2007, 04:31:17 AM » |
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Consumer Affairs: Suit Charges Cat Food Contained Acetaminophen http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/07/pet_food_recalls61.htmlThe day after that interview, the FDA announced it didn’t find acetaminophen in a handful of dog and cat food samples it tested.
But ConsumerAffairs.com learned the FDA couldn’t confirm it tested the same lots and brands in which ExperTox found the pain medication.
“This case is not closed,” Coneley told us. “They’re (FDA) still requesting samples and data from us. I don’t see by any means that this is over. If it was over and done with, why would they bother spending so much time with us on the phone and arranging for samples to be released?”
When asked why the FDA disputed its findings, Coneley said: “I don’t know their reasoning. What I do know is that when they told me they tested a few samples of cat and dog food, I asked them if they were the same lots and brands that we tested. And they couldn’t confirm that any of them were the same ones we tested.
“We’re using two completely different testing instruments to detect those chemical, and the difference comes into play with the instruments and the instrumentation (used) to detect those chemical.”
Coneley said her lab tested 100 to 150 samples of pet food -- and detected acetaminophen in five of those samples.
The FDA, she said, tested just a few samples of pet food for the pain killer.
“It’s easier to say that we can’t confirm something by looking at a few samples than to really investigate and continue investigating until you know something for sure. I think this might have been a quick way to get everyone off their (FDA) backs.”
Could those “everyone’s” be the Pet Food Institute?
“Maybe there was pressure from them,” Coneley told us.
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« Reply #579 on: July 16, 2007, 05:57:40 AM » |
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Shibadiva: Thanks......it was on the Boston Terrier page, that's why I couldn't find it. I looked everywhere so I could show the pic to a friend......now I know where it is. It is so gross.......
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« Reply #580 on: July 16, 2007, 08:45:06 AM » |
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Well, I don't trust any packaged pet food. I know some of it must be okay - but anymore I just can't bring myself to serve it.
I am paranoid but at least my dogs are improving and what I thought was another cancer growth turned out to be a scrape that was slightly infected - it was difficult to see but after the vet shaved the area then it was obvious not a growth.
Cooking for my crew of dog takes much effort. I'm so glad that Donna had the Innova tested but really I think it is in other foods too and I was feeding the SD Lamb and Rive Dry dog food when one of my dogs had leaking Urine and the high liver enzyme test reading.
So it is no longer which food is better etc. - it is radical surgery for me - none of it is in my house.
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« Reply #581 on: July 16, 2007, 07:20:49 PM » |
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Moonbeam- My neighbor & I had trouble w/SD lamb & rice also. Thought we had totally recovered ,but the lab mix started leaking urine today bigtime ! Oh well more vet bills !
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« Reply #583 on: July 16, 2007, 08:04:59 PM » |
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lesliek:
Sorry to hear about your neighbor - that is my fear too - we think we've beat it and then it comes back and bites us big time - the nightmare never seems to end really.
My one dog with the ulcers on his face, he's only two, the vet said was an auto immune problem - but his sores are improving - all are home-cooked now and it is difficult but I'm doing it - not too hard once I get the routine down and I'm losing weight - too tired to eat!
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« Reply #584 on: July 16, 2007, 08:07:47 PM » |
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Thank you petslave for the link to Don's new post. Very interesting indeed. I don't understand any of this anymore. It all scares me.
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