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« Reply #195 on: July 06, 2007, 11:57:10 PM » |
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mgt -- July 5, 2007 12:53:33 PM -- "Also, a friend of mine called Natura and asked about the situation with Donnas lab test results I am going to paste it here : "Just got off the phone with Natura Pet (Veronica) and ask her about Donna's claim
They are investigating this but have found no samples to test positive for cyanuric acid or acetamenophine.
They said it appears that her sample may have been contaminated after the fact but not by the naturapet.""
Other Quoted References to chunks:
lesliek -- July 6, 2007 03:16:35 PM -- "My neighbor just had similar white spots on Cal Nat dry dog lamb & rice. She had saved the pieces with it,but they got wet. I did tell Vicki at Natura on the phone but no one ever called either of us back."
lesliek -- July 04, 2007, 07:40:30 PM -- "While on the phone with Vicki I told her about white in & on some of the kibble in my neighbors bag. Gave her all the info & phone #'s. Neither of us ever heard back. Also told them about the acetaminophen found in food. She said they would check into it & tell the lab. Said they were testing & backtesting for C A & that should show acet"
HD -- July 05, 2007, 07:15:37 PM -- "I have a bag with embedded items of unknown origin. My bag expires Dec 07."
mgt -- July 03, 2007, 10:55:24 PM -- "I was feeding Innova Dry Adult, 33# bag and had an expiration date of May 08. ...... I wanted to say that my kibble looks exactly like Donnas. Black and white tiny rock like specs.... the white seem like uncooked rice pieces and the black ones look like black rocks."
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It seems that my kibble was not the only bag to have the embedded chunks in it.
I've had several people ask what it looks like. I have attached copies of the photos I sent along with the samples to the pet food company and the private laboratory.
If anyone else has photos of their samples, please post.
Donna
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« Reply #196 on: July 07, 2007, 12:11:35 AM » |
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Laurie and Petslave:
Just a suggestion on feeding raw for the first time to kitties that have had commercial processed food all their lives: their little tum-tums may be able to take the richer nutrient-packed raw if you mix the raw with (human-grade) multi-enzyme or probiotics. I use Puritan's Pride Multi-Enzyme; crush 1 tablet and mix it in with 1/2 cup raw. I read that cats in the wild often eat the enzyme-rich belly organs of their prey and thus get the enzymes that help them digest raw meat easier. Must be true becuase my two cats (a 1 yr old and a 9 yr old) have never vomited their raw food. The enzymes aid in the breaking down and absorbtion of nutriets.
And oh, Laurie: don't throw out the Feline's Pride even if it arrived half-thawed. Cook it instead! That's what I'd do. For what it's worth, my kitties' thawed raw food often stays in the fridge over two days before it is all gone and I have to thaw out a new package. Neither cat ever had so much as a tummy-ache for it. I know, I know... it was scary for me too in the beginning... wondering about salmonella and all... but hey, have you ever considered that cats lick their butts and lord knows what else with no apperent ill effects? Ewwww... surely they can handle raw food sitting in the fridge for 2 days.
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« Reply #197 on: July 07, 2007, 12:55:22 AM » |
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My cat took to the raw food pretty quickly - just started feeding it Monday and he's completely transitioned over - but he's got a pretty tough tummy so I'm not surprised. What I am surprised at is how much he likes the raw food because he never really liked canned food (he is a kibble-lovin' kitty). Laurie, I think your cats may be just having some adjustment issues. Give it a day or two and try again. The partial thawing of the food shouldn't have been a problem, since it was likely still too cold for bacteria to flourish. That said, the food shouldn't have arrived half-thawed with the overnight shipping from Feline's Pride, so if you are uncomfortable with it the company should re-ship to you no questions asked. Let us know how it goes...
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« Reply #198 on: July 07, 2007, 04:42:56 AM » |
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I emailed Felines Pride last evening and they responded that the food should be fine. I received the food next day because the distributor only lives about 50 miles from me. I put a teaspoon in his food this morning and he is hesitant about eating it. He WILL eat his food eventually as I am not giving up! Hopefully there will not be a major pukeing episode after. Kaffe, I have some digestive enzymes but I did not know if they should be added to the raw. I will try that today also. Thanks for the butt licking story. It made me laugh! My baby gives me kisses on the lips when he comes to bed at night! I don't care, I enjoy his kisses! Many thanks to everyone for the suggestions!
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« Reply #199 on: July 07, 2007, 06:08:57 AM » |
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I would love it if my cats would eat raw. There is a Feline's Pride distributor here, but picking up Healthy Paws for the cats was a lot easier. They wouldn't touch it, so the dogs ended up getting the bag.
klondike It looked like a possible fight here too. The little guy guards marrow bones. He makes sure no one looks at his, then he steals the big dog's bone and makes a little pile. She just sits there panting and acting goofy until I take her bone away from him.
The same thing happened with the patty yesterday.
This morning, I just put a patty in each dish and mashed them up. Now that it looked like canned food, they just ate it normally. Of course, they wanted more.
You had to see the little guy yesterday when he got his first patty. You could literally see the wheels turning in his little head when he figured out that the big dog (upstairs) hadn't eaten hers. He ran up and snatched it, and ran away with patty hanging out of his mouth, trying to eat it before anyone took it away.
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« Reply #201 on: July 07, 2007, 06:22:33 AM » |
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petslave, Yes Jasper is allergic to fish and most fish oils. He is sensitive to other items but I am unsure as to what they are exactly. Try to find a food that does not have fish in it! If he manages to get into the other cats kibble he will get diarhea. His tummy gurgles all the time. It gurgles very loudly after eating something that does not agree with him. That is how I gauge whether he can eat a particular food or not. Also by his activity level after eating eat. Sometimes he will just lay around in the "loaf position" when he is miserable. Food allergies can contribute to developing IBD. If the raw does not work out I may try homecooking. Thanks for the name of the book! I will definitely check it out. And yes, it is a struggle.
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« Reply #202 on: July 07, 2007, 07:09:56 AM » |
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Donna- Unfortunately no pix. She had put them up on the counter to bag & a glass of iced tea spilled on them. She might still have 1 or 2 pieces. As soon as we never heard back after 2 calls I started cutting back on the dry & adding more homemade. I'm wondering if the reps are even reporting these problems ?Vicki told me they had no other complaints. Purina told me the same thing. Ive' seen other posts where people were told the same thing. If not they are just outright lying.What worries me is in my bag of Purina the more I moved the bag around the harder it was to find. It kept settling towards the bottom. Then they tell you its just food crumbs.My lab mix had the runs for 3 weeks. The vet tech thinks its from the excess Vit e. I know part of it is from the abrupt switch of food;but 3 wks ?He was on acidophilus & horse mylanta. So if anyone wants to keep feeding dry I would suggest pouring the whole bag out into large bowls to check it.I do still have about 12 lbs of the Pur 1 if anyone wants to compare it to what they have. I don't know how to put pix up or would do so.[if my kids come over I'll get them to do it].
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« Reply #203 on: July 07, 2007, 08:03:12 AM » |
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lesliek - to add pics, click Additional Options at bottom left of the box you type your comments in. The click browse to find your pic on your computer. They have to be under 128kb in size or it won't take them.
Laurie--I wonder if the Wellenss canned you fed had some fish in it. Many of their formulas have fish & they probably don't clean well between batches, so maybe he got some of that. Like those bags/boxes of people food that warn this product was made on equip. that processes peanuts, etc. The pets don't get that warning unfortunately.
I might try that Feline's Pride--it looks good. I've been trying to find a good raw food & don't really like the brands that are offered in pet stores in this area.
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« Reply #204 on: July 07, 2007, 08:08:57 AM » |
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I'm wondering if the reps are even reporting these problems ? Vicki told me they had no other complaints.
Purina told me the same thing. I've seen other posts where people were told the same thing. If not they are just outright lying.
Then they tell you its just food crumbs. My lab mix had the runs for 3 weeks. The vet tech thinks its from the excess Vit e. I know part of it is from the abrupt switch of food; but 3 wks ?
That's what is great about these forums, we see there are many people who post with similar complaints and we know we are not the only one. I have not read much about excess Vitamin E. I'll have to check into that one. I have referenced "Small Animal Clinical Nutrition" by Mark Morris (textbook used in vets schools). It speaks of toxicity of Vitamin D in regard to symptoms such as weight loss, fatigue, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration, hypercalcemia, death. I've always heard that abrupt changes in food for a pet can cause stomach upset. IMO, 3 wks. seems a little much. Did you ask your vet about the continuation of symptoms for 3 weeks? How long has your dog been on the food now and is he still experiencing symptoms? |
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« Reply #205 on: July 07, 2007, 08:13:09 AM » |
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Laurie--I wonder if the Wellenss canned you fed had some fish in it. Many of their formulas have fish & they probably don't clean well between batches, so maybe he got some of that. Like those bags/boxes of people food that warn this product was made on equip. that processes peanuts, etc. The pets don't get that warning unfortunately.
I might try that Feline's Pride--it looks good. I've been trying to find a good raw food & don't really like the brands that are offered in pet stores in this area.
petslave did you mean to address this to Genny? I am still reeling over the fact that her vet mentioned putting her cat down. What is your opinion on this? |
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« Reply #206 on: July 07, 2007, 08:37:34 AM » |
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Back to the mysterious redacted ingredients. Either there's something else in there that no one is testing for, or there's something else in there that makes pets vomit and have diarrhea. Or it's just a horrible coincidence.
What would be different if unidentified particles were showing up in human food, and humans were getting diarrhea for three weeks?
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« Reply #207 on: July 07, 2007, 10:43:24 AM » |
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Hi Laurie - yeah I've read a lot about IBD although there is always more to learn. Mostly I was commenting on what I thought was Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins poor coverage of that topic (as well as feline vaccinations) in her book. I thought all her other topics were really well written but was very surprised at her over simplistic summary of IBD. IBD can be caused by so many different triggers that to say it is only caused by allergies is wrong.
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« Reply #208 on: July 07, 2007, 10:48:50 AM » |
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Back to the mysterious redacted ingredients. Either there's something else in there that no one is testing for, or there's something else in there that makes pets vomit and have diarrhea. Or it's just a horrible coincidence.
What would be different if unidentified particles were showing up in human food, and humans were getting diarrhea for three weeks?
Well, one would only hope if a specific problem was in the human food chain it would have been dealt with much sooner than this issue has. This is why it is so very important not to dismiss any subclinical symptoms your pet may show. One comment that has been prevalent in postings is referencing IBD or sensitive tummies with pets in regard to certain symptoms. It might be easy to say the pet vomited or didn't want to eat, has a sensitive tummy and never think about it again. But the concern with that would be if you continue to see the same symptoms over an extended period. I track in detail symptoms or illnesses with my pets on a calendar to see if and when they reoccur. A friend who is a vet taught me to do that. And this can help tremendously in diagnosis if you end up taking the pet to the vet. As mentioned by others, there is a transition period when changing foods for pets, but now, more than ever, we need to be ever vigilant in monitoring any symptoms with our pets and determining what the cause may be. Donna |
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« Reply #209 on: July 07, 2007, 10:54:28 AM » |
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Laurie you said "petslave did you mean to address this to Genny? I am still reeling over the fact that her vet mentioned putting her cat down. What is your opinion on this?"...... Did I miss that someplace? Are you referring to the thread on crystals? I just glanced over there to "catch up" and didn't see a comment about putting the cat to sleep? If you are confusing with me (Wellness - fish based), my vet didn't mention anything like that  Also, in case petslave was thinking of my IBD cat that was sick on Wellness, my cat has been able to eat foods with fish in them in the past (in fact his current food has fish in it, so no problem there). I'm thinking more along the lines that all the fruits and veggies in Wellness may have triggered something. When he was eating a small quantity of it he was OK, but once I increased it he got very ill. The other possibility was variation between cases as that seems to be something my cats have picked up on before - nothing I can tell my looking but something they can pick up on. |
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