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« Reply #630 on: July 19, 2007, 06:06:50 AM » |
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Also, is this a connection to the "wool and hair" checkpoint in the ingredients section on the quality control list that you posted earlier?
I could be wrong, but I think the "% wool and hair" in the quality control list has to do with the use of lamb as an ingredient. There's a section on the Natura website that explains the various ingredients, and here's what it says about lamb meal: "Lamb meal is the dry rendered (cooked down) product from lamb tissues, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices." (emphasis mine) So apparently, even with good processing practices, there could (will?) be some amount of wool/hair in the product. Doesn't sound appetizing to me. |
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« Reply #631 on: July 19, 2007, 06:26:52 AM » |
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Regarding our pets:
-- Watch & listen to your pets! If they refuse a food, there is a reason.
-- Make note of any recurring symptoms (vomiting, eating grass, lethargy, increased water intake, increased urination, incontinence, weight gain, etc.). These are not the symptoms sometimes associated with transitioning to a new food. It is something that hangs around longer than a few days or weeks.
-- Keep a detailed calendar of symptoms, exactly what happens, when and what was fed.
-- Carefully look at the food as you prepare each meal; also give it a sniff (does it smell ok).
Donna, thank you for making these suggestions. I have been keeping a journal of my cats' health and eating habits since my oldest was diagnosed with CRF. The recalls taught me to also keep track of what they eat so I can link symptoms to foods if necessary. It is a good practice to keep track of our pets' health whether they are sick or generally healthy. It's a great tool to also have to look back at before vet visits. It has helped me notice trends that I may not have picked up on otherwise. |
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« Reply #632 on: July 19, 2007, 06:58:28 AM » |
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My food : (must be logged on to view pictures)
1)Sample Bag Innova Evo Red Meat (grey bag) dog food kibble -
contains beef meal and lamb meal - exp. Feb 2, 08
2)Sample Bag Innova (green bag) dog food kibble -
contains chicken meal - - exp Jan 24, 08
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« Reply #633 on: July 19, 2007, 07:09:25 AM » |
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« Reply #635 on: July 19, 2007, 07:43:34 AM » |
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1gone I guess we should thank our lucky stars for those PF manufacturers who have an integrated rendering facility on-site...
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« Reply #636 on: July 19, 2007, 08:33:43 AM » |
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I wish Natura would address this problem. I have three cats and one of them has the most sensitive tummy and he knows it. Right now I have little bits of 3 foods down. California Natural, Kumpikat, and I just bought Wellness Complete Heath. My cat Cooper with the sensitive tummy loves the California natural and he eats it when the other cats dont. If he tries any other foods it really upsets his tummy and knows that and goes right back to the California Natural. Well I am almost out of that, I maybe have one more day, and i dont know what he is going to eat that wont upset his tummy. I wish they would address this and fix this. I have a huge new bag a california, but i am so scared to feed it now. Hurry up Natura!! ( I also started feeding wellness canned and he is doing good with it, but they can be so picky, i leave little bits of dry food out)
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« Reply #637 on: July 19, 2007, 08:47:50 AM » |
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lacy,
That's the worst part about all this, that they aren't saying anything. Going from being (seemingly) transparent to giving the complete silent treatment is not a good thing. I can't figure out why these companies don't seem to realize that not talking about problems won't make them go away. As you said, they simply need to address the issue. If they had a bad production run, tell us. If they had a bad batch of vitamin premix, tell us. Whatever the problem is, they need to simply tell us, then tell us how they plan on making sure it doesn't happen again. This isn't rocket science.
I don't use Natura products, but I've thought about using Cal Nat for my kitties, in rotation with the Wellness. But I'm staying away from it until Natura pulls their collective head out of their a** and does something.
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« Reply #638 on: July 19, 2007, 09:13:16 AM » |
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EricV I agree with you 100%. I dont think they understand that if they address this and tell us what is wrong and how they can fix it, then a lot of us will respect that and go back to them. It seems like they are scared to tell us what the problem might be, thinking they will lose customers. But in reality, its the opposite. Addressing the problem quickly might actually keep the customers.
Thats a little odd about the store you go to. Maybe next time you go in there, you could talk to someone personally. That would make me a little paranoid too. Okay... A lot paranoid.. but thats just me.
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« Reply #639 on: July 19, 2007, 09:23:00 AM » |
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lacy,
The last time I was in the store to pick up some Wellness, before the problems surfaced with Innova, I mentioned to the store clerk that I might pick up some Cal Nat too. She just looked at me, then told me that maybe I could try Felidae to rotate with the Wellness. I didn't think much of it then, but now I don't know. Maybe they know something and were told to keep quiet. Or maybe we're just really paranoid and our tinfoil hats are on a bit too tight.
Has anyone else tried contacting local retailers who sell Natura products, and asked if they'd had any unusual complaints?
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« Reply #640 on: July 19, 2007, 10:05:39 AM » |
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Hmm. Thats very odd that she would tell you to try something else. But you are right. Could be we are way to paranoid. But I dont know. We have two stores that sell Natural products around here. One store only sells natura stuff and said they have had no complaints. Its flying off the shelves. The other store said no, but I dont trust them as much. And they only have 4 people buying the California natural dry food. Wellness is the most popular cat food there. Everytime I ask about complaints, he just "seems unsure" but says no. Thats probably me being my paranoid self. He did tell me though that he delivered a bag of Eagle pack that day and the lady called and said the bag was moving!!!! So he was on his way to check it out! I dont know what could have been in the bag!! I cant wait to find out. haha.
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« Reply #641 on: July 19, 2007, 10:17:39 AM » |
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lacy, I've never had a moving back of food! A mouse or something probably hitched a ride in the bag of Eaglepack. For a cat that would be like the surprise in the Cracker Jack box.  |
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« Reply #642 on: July 19, 2007, 11:03:03 AM » |
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Hahahahaha. Thats true! I just dont understand how something could live in a bag with no air for that long!! |
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« Reply #643 on: July 19, 2007, 02:56:49 PM » |
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Has anyone else tried contacting local retailers who sell Natura products, and asked if they'd had any unusual complaints?
I asked the owner of my local natural pet supply store if he had any complaints about any of the Natura products and he said he had not. He is very informed and upfront about things so I have no reason to doubt him. For example, when Wellness changed the formulas on some of the dog foods a few years back I guess a lot of dogs were having runny stool, etc and he posted a sign about the change so that folks knew what they were getting before they bought. Anyway, I told him the Donna story and about the sutures, plastic and he is now very concerned and wants me to keep him updated. He feeds his dog Innova kibble with no issues to date. I'm not saying that there is no problem, just reporting that this store has no complaints. ~kittylyda |
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« Reply #644 on: July 19, 2007, 04:47:46 PM » |
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Also, she reminded me that all of their ingredients are American sourced. EricV Thanks for the info. The line above needs deciphering, American sourced is not American grown, otherwise it would say grown in America. I appreciate this persons opinion but the facts remain that there is something less than 100% truth here. Natura may be fine, but we are all still waiting for test results. db  |
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