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« Reply #240 on: May 22, 2008, 08:21:23 AM »

Do you think they contacted the retailers that only had those lots, like Natures Variety did? I know with NV there were many retailiers that were not aware but Sandy had mentioned they contacted those that had the product only.

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« Reply #241 on: May 22, 2008, 10:01:45 AM »

Do you think they contacted the retailers that only had those lots, like Natures Variety did? I know with NV there were many retailiers that were not aware but Sandy had mentioned they contacted those that had the product only.



In my area there are affected products so if they did that they missed most of California.  N.V. contacted all the retailers in my area. Remember when everyone called their local stores to find out if they were contacted? Thats what I did then and now.

Yes...i remember....and in my area no one had been called by NV.... since the product was just made maybe they got it before it got out to most places....
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« Reply #242 on: May 22, 2008, 10:07:07 AM »

not to take away from subject at hand but champion foods does have a history. I checked formulas there isnt any beef used now but

                   http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00910.html

                  http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/dog52703.cfm

                   http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/business/story.html?id=d3e7c070-492d-44df-b945-59e40b3a4d97

  so what is wrong with asking  questions of all pet food companies

                               kathy

Thanks for the links....looks like a lot has changed for them since the BSE time many years ago. From what I heard there is no more meat meal in most products due to BSE. I like that the journal described their processes of being fully enclosed, computerized and the spreading of fats throughout the process. I did have that one bag of cat food that had an issue many months back so maybe the spraying of the fats didn't get as even as it should have....which would explain. So far my sisters dogs haven't had any issues with the food.

Its good to call the retailers....When I have time this week I hope to call mine to just alert them to look for those codes just in case they have them or people have had questions.

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« Reply #243 on: May 22, 2008, 10:09:38 AM »



I agree, I don't see whats wrong with asking questions of all pet food compnaies.

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« Reply #244 on: May 22, 2008, 10:29:21 AM »

They did recall the dog food back in 2003 when there was a BSE issue. I think that's a good thing. What worries me more is the problems (in any pet food) that we don't know about, or the companies that are hiding issues or pointing fingers elsewhere.

To nikki's point, if I opened a bag of kibble and found shards of bone that I thought were unacceptable, I'd be in touch with the company right away. But I haven't, and so I continue to feed this convenience food as a supplement to home-cooked and Wellness (not happy with what's going on there with the contents shrinkage and extra gel, but that's covered in another thread, and after all, Wellness is convenience food too, so expect some mass-produced crappiness). The dogs and cats have never done so well before I started feeding Orijen last year.
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« Reply #245 on: May 22, 2008, 10:32:02 AM »

I think it is absolutely a good idea to ask questions.  The PFI has brought this on themselves as an entire industry.  Only a few (I can not think of any right now that I can name!) have escaped completely over the last decade.  There are times that the company was not completely at fault, as in when their food is made at a plant not owned by the company itself.  In fact most have their food, either dry or canned or raw...or all three...produced at a plant that processes other brands.  I don't like this, because we have seen all too many times how things go wrong this way.  Very wrong.  I agree that it makes economic sense for the pet food companies, but this practice has proven itself to be less than ideal, even fatal in many cases when it comes to the end user, our dogs, our cats.  

Particularly after the Menu Foods disaster (OK, in my own personal opinion it was a disaster) companies that outsource their manufacturing have a huge responsibility of due diligence in the plant making their brand/s.  Distributors have a responsibility they need to take seriously.  Then the stores that selll these products in the bright shiny packaging have a responsibility as well.  I prefer the smaller stores where the staff is very involved and informed on proper feeding practices and current news.  It is particularly important to me that the owner of the business is generally in the store.  I want him/her to care just as much about what I'm buying as I do.  I don't want a salesman, I want a partner in my selection of good, safe food for our Jake.

Currently, we feed both home cooked and kibble.  Jake has been doing well on this combination since around September.  The kibble has been at first Orijen Adult.  When Orijen Six Fish became available, we tried a small bag and found he loved that variety as well as the Adult.  We purchase a medium bag of adult and a small bag of Six Fish...then rotate the two.  He usually gets part of our own dinner finely minced or ground on top of his kibble.  We also make our own chicken broth every time we have bones, keeping frozen portions to heat and pour over kibble if not used for a batch of Jake dinners in the crock pot.  

We had a small bag of Orijen Six Fish, unopened, in the pantry when I read about the bones in Orijen.  There were absolutely no bones to be found in the bag of Adult we were feeding,  The Six Fish was in the lot number that was produced during the time bones were reported.  I called my store.  The owner said just return the bag when we picked up our next supply.  We did this and came home with a medium Orijen Adult and this time a medium bag of Orijen Six Fish as well.  Opening the bag of Six Fish and pouring into containers to seal and put away, we inspected the kibble carefully.  We look at it again ea time we put a cup into Jake's bowl.  No visible bones.  We've let some disolve and nothing amiss that we can see.  This is not to say at all that I doubt in any way that some bags had sharp fish bones embedded in the kibble.  I wish this had not happened.  At this point I'm certain Orijen (Champion Foods) has the same regrets that I do!

Jake will continue to be offered Orijen kibble.  We always inspect the food.  We look at the bag, inside and out.  We look at individual kibbles and also give them a good sniff, although Jake's "sniffer" is much, much more acute than ours.  Remember, Jake is the dog that literally saved himself during all the dog food problems by refusing to eat the tainted ones even before there was any news at all regarding something suspect with various brands.  He literally ran out of the kitchen when one can was opened!  He fled the family room, too, and hid in the back of the house.  Of course, I doubt very seriously that he would turn down kibble or canned because of sharp bones unless one happened to pierce his mouth.  Sharp objects do not belong in dry dog food.  While still wet during the processing, these bones in the Orijen probably turned soft, then hardened in the kibble.  How it escaped QC, I have no idea.
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« Reply #246 on: May 22, 2008, 12:36:45 PM »

What happens when Charlie goes on holidays?

Or he is sick?

Do they keep him chained up in the plant, elbow deep in vats of bony salmon?

What a stupid way to position their QA program.  It makes them sound like a bunch of small time hicks. 



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« Reply #247 on: May 22, 2008, 01:39:46 PM »

What happens when Charlie goes on holidays?

Or he is sick?

Do they keep him chained up in the plant, elbow deep in vats of bony salmon?

What a stupid way to position their QA program.  It makes them sound like a bunch of small time hicks. 


F.Y.I.  A lot of pet food customers are small town/rural.  Same goes for quite a few regular members here.  Is that what you mean by 'hicks'?


Well, I don't know - are you hicks?   You tell me.   To me, that word means unsophisticated and simple (in a duh way).  Like Orijen's QA program is being represented.  Perhaps if you are impressed by Charlie fondling salmon, then the shoe fits. 

I didn't say anything regarding where exactly they might reside, or the size of their town. 



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« Reply #248 on: May 22, 2008, 01:53:47 PM »

Like I posted prior I liked the personal touch....seems to be missing from so many companies today. Depending on how large the company is, depends on how many batches of food are being made. So I'm sure that is not the only thing Charlie does. And I'm sure there are people that also assist when he is on vacation.

I think it is sad to call a person a "hick" as it comes across in such a negative way. As I personally wrote Charlie I told him I appreciated the QA and personal touch....I like putting a name to a face to a product.

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« Reply #249 on: May 22, 2008, 01:59:25 PM »

Whatever.
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« Reply #250 on: May 22, 2008, 02:36:22 PM »




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« Reply #251 on: May 22, 2008, 02:49:02 PM »

I wrote Orijen, and I, too, got a response.  We did not have bones in any of the Orijen we opened and fed, and I repeat that doesn't mean I doubt that some bags did contain bones not properly ground.  This thread is beginning to drift from it's original purpose.  Unless there's more hard information, can we give it a rest?

Were any dogs harmed?  Is anyone finding things in this food that should not be visible to the eye?  Any dogs refusing to eat it after having it as a staple in their diet?  Any problems w/ distributors or your pet supply store over this?  

Our dog had a terribly rough time from the beginning.  First it was the brand of food.  Then it turned out he was having allergic responses to foods w/ grains (even 'tho his home cooked has brown and white rice, barley, and oats) and the ones we tried w/out grains he would not touch or if he did he soon refused.  He was skinny.  His coat was dry and falling out in clumps all over the house for months.  He itched.  His eyes had "snot" (DH's expression) in them.  This drove us to home cooking, and it worked well.  Suggestions here for wild salmon oil and vit E probably also contributed to his rapid recovery from misery.

Then a few people here on this forum suggested I try Orijen.  Jake likes it.  For the last 9 months or so it has been a constant part of his diet.  Jake's coat glistens.  He is literally dripping in coat.  His groomer says she has never seen anything like it, and she does quite a few Cavaliers and has one of her own.  Works at a nice shop that gets a number of show dogs as well as much loved pets.  No food is going to suit every dog or every person who is selecting the food.    

I note that while I was typing a new reply was posted.  Going to post this anyway before reading. 
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« Reply #252 on: May 22, 2008, 03:21:40 PM »

Gee, I think Charlie is cute, for a human being, that is. 

I smell salmon.  Makes me wish we ate dry food.

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« Reply #253 on: May 22, 2008, 10:59:03 PM »

Thanks Robert and others for responding to my inquiry on the Orijen as far as the bones went. So glad it was caught and the company stepped up to make sure it wouldn't happen again. My dog also likes the adult Orijen and this is first kibble I've used since last year. Wonder if they will ever make a canned Orijen??
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« Reply #254 on: May 23, 2008, 01:17:39 PM »

I think Charlie's cute  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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