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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2007, 03:37:03 PM »

Ally,  Hmmm, I also was at first reassured by DaveyD, but then began to wonder about his extreme enthusiasm and ability to answer so many questions at such great length.   Yes, we did go through the same thing with Kumpi and Evy.  Yes, if indeed that is what he is doing, it is sad and and very opportunistic when so many people are desperate.
I did not know he was posting the same thing is so many different places!  Very interesting indeed.  It does bear looking into and careful decision making.

I simply have not been able to find my way around the PetConnection, nor post  and see what I posted, and then find an answer to my post.  I will try again.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2007, 03:40:05 PM »

I think that once people find a food that they think is very good, they want to share the information. Every day somebody posts on these blogs asking what is a good food. I think if DaveyD started the thread he has a right to post information on the food, especially since it isn't widely available in the U.S. to go read the labels. There have been plenty of people pushing their brand of food in the blogs. If you post to the forum at least it isn't a constant push. I've been guilty of posting about Canidae here and at The Pet Food List. Anyway, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt because I'm capable of taking in a lot of information and making my own decision, but I've seen plenty of people who are easily swayed.

I have heard nothing but praise for Orijen and my pet food store says it is "THE" hot food right now, but he can't get it yet. I think the ingredients should be scrutinized, but the fact that they make their own food and all the ingredients are Canadian makes it worthy of consideration. I too, am on Canidae, but I'm researching a backup just in case...
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2007, 03:48:03 PM »

straybaby, thank you for the link.

I always buy organic whenever possible, but lately I've been discovering some disconcerting links about "organic" labeled items.
Here's one:  Organic Food a Detriment To Public Health (from HuffingtonPost.com)

In the "Get the Facts:  What’s Really in Pet Food" link I included above, he does say "The term “organic”, on the other hand, has a very strict legal definition under the USDA National Organic Program."  But he continues with:

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However, some companies are adept at evading the intent of both of these rules. For instance, the name of the company or product may be intentionally misleading. Some companies use terms such as “Nature” or “Natural” or even “Organic” in the brand name, whether or not their products fit the definitions. Consumers should also be aware that the term “organic” does not imply anything at all about animal welfare; products from cows and chickens can be organic, yet the animals themselves are still just “production units” in enormous factory farms.

Each of us has to sort through the ingredients and make our own decisions.  With so much happening in tainted food recently (human and pet), I'm only suggesting "buyer beware" and be careful.  There's not too many I trust anymore.  I doubt I'll ever trust anything in the same manner again.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2007, 03:50:37 PM »

Thanks for the tip about pH strips, straybaby!  I was dreading a visit to the vet to get a urinalysis done....not a happy kitty.  I'll try to pick some up this week and see if I can get a 'sample'...should be interesting!!  

I wanted to comment on ally's comment re: DaveyD's posts, because I suppose I could also be included in her charge, since I have posted in several places singing the praises of Orijen.  

If we strictly abide by the forum rules, then ally is correct saying that we should not be posting the same reply in more than one thread.  But how many people have actually been abiding by this rule?  And so many people are asking the same questions and asking for the same advice (ie what should I feed my pet?  What companies makes their own food? What is a good food to feed? etc.. etc...).  So if you are feeding a product that you truly believe in, should you just stay silent for fear of breaking forum rules, or even worse, suspected of working for the company?

I for one have not stayed quiet and admit to posting in more than one thread.  In some cases, I have even used similar wording (contrary to your suggestion, ally, I would argue that this is actually more honest).  Am I wrong to do so?  

As I mentioned in BW's thread, I suppose it's understandable that the pet food recalls have bred lots of cynicism and bitterness - but I think it's a shame when posters on this forum have to start questioning the sincerity of each other's post....maybe I'm being naive??  Anyway, if you don't trust my word, or DaveyD's, then just do a google search on Orijen - it's listed quite favourably on various sites (in the interest of full disclosure, please note that I have also posted as trooper10 on rateitall.com).  

On one thing I agree with ally (though I thought it went without saying) - pet owners need to do their own research and make up their own mind.  Thanks for the reminder.  
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2007, 03:52:40 PM »

Just to be clear, I'm not asking people to agree with me.
I'm only asking people to step back a bit, do your research and think for yourselves.
Most of you will anyway - as you should.

But be careful as you go.  There's too much weirdness going on as it is, yanno?
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2007, 03:55:48 PM »

On one thing I agree with ally (though I thought it went without saying) - pet owners need to do their own research and make up their own mind.  Thanks for the reminder. 

Thanks as well to you, SymbaandTrooper, for at least hearing me out.  It is appreciated.
Whether people believe me or not, I do mean only the best.  Like many of you with your pets, my dogs are the light of my life.
I would never be able to forgive myself if I did something to bring them harm when it could have been avoided.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2007, 04:39:21 PM »


Each of us has to sort through the ingredients and make our own decisions.  With so much happening in tainted food recently (human and pet), I'm only suggesting "buyer beware" and be careful.  There's not too many I trust anymore.  I doubt I'll ever trust anything in the same manner again.

This is good advise, and it's a *good* thing that posts like yours play devil's advocate.

I can't afford to get complacent about my pets' diet ever again, and it's tempting to think 'I've found a good & safe food finally'. The relief would be enormous at this point.

But lack of scrutiny is what allowed this to happen in the first place.

If Orijen/Kumpi/Evo etc. are all that they claim to be, great. They'll stand up to the questioning. If they're not, then thank god for the skeptical among us.
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2007, 04:45:10 PM »

Ok, I had asked the question about the high protein levels of this food. I dug through my old issues of The Whole Dog Journal, and found an article on senior dog nutrition in Dec. 2006. It basically said that the theory that high protein is bad for senior dogs is just a myth. That in fact senior dogs may need up to 50% more protein than active adult dogs. It specifically mentions Acana and Orijen, among others, that are high protein-low carb (all I can think is South Beach Diet for Dogs!). It may also be beneficial to dogs suffering arthritis like mine. So.... I'm seriously considering this food, if I can find a way to get a 30 lb bag for under $50. Unfortunately my budget is not unlimited with three large dogs.
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2007, 04:47:18 PM »

LOL!  Thought it was just paranoid little old me who thought the Kumpi and Orijen posts were "odd".
So I guess we just can't win - when we see a food that we like and post about it, rather than be considered helpful and a potential lead for other pet owners to investigate, it's questioned.  What's a pet owner to do?  Seems to me that unless you're willing to denigrate all pet food companies and join in the chorus on how everyone is out to get us and our pets, one's posts are regarded with suspicion.  Do people honestly think the pet food companies have the time and interest to wade through our posts on this forum?  Too bad, I suppose for pet owners who come to this forum to hear about safe alternative pet foods. 

If Orijen/Kumpi/Evo etc. are all that they claim to be, great. They'll stand up to the questioning. 
Agreed, chrome327!!

Thanks as well to you, SymbaandTrooper, for at least hearing me out.  It is appreciated.
Whether people believe me or not, I do mean only the best.  Like many of you with your pets, my dogs are the light of my life.
I would never be able to forgive myself if I did something to bring them harm when it could have been avoided.
Thank you ally - I appreciate your fairness, and can definitely empathise with your concern about not wanting to do anything that might cause harm to any pet.  My husband and I nearly lost our young dog this February due to his ingestion of a bag of ground beef that I had carelessly left out in the sink, and the guilt and blame that I still feel is hard to live with. 
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2007, 05:12:57 PM »

I do not work for Orijen nor do I have any association with them...
They are in Alberta...2000 miles from where I live.
As I said I am going to start to rotate this with the Canidae (which I also find to be an excellent food) he is currently on and I have looked at many brands.. I was simply pointing out better options than commercial junk pet food...
Take it for what it's worth.
I read the story about Orijen and was very impressed that actually let a reporter into their plant to see the ingredients and the food being made...they even took pictures.
The one thing about Canidae that I don't like is the secrecy about where it is made and the source of some their ingredients.
I have recommended Canidae and Felidae to more pet owners that I know than Orijen...

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2007, 05:40:10 PM »

BTW...
I work in a Television newsroom and I have helped spread the word about the tragedy of these recalls.  I have tried to find info about the recalls and that it where I found Itchmo.
It is very sad for me too see that pet owners have become this scared and suspicious...Unbelievable really.
I have an 8 year old and 6 year old child and when I had to put our loved family member down in December it was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life.  When I look back and realize it was probably the "premium" Purina that made her sick and I didn't know...it sickens me.   My vet never told about better nutrition only "buy this medication", "buy this medicated shampoo for her itchy skin", "buy these ear drops for her ear infection"
It was not until February when we picked up our new puppy and I did research on what would be a good food for his breed that I realized the mistakes I had made...  I was simply trying to help others from making those same mistakes. 
Do your own research and learn what I have learned...
If a pet food maker is so confident in their product that they invite a reporter in the plant to see it being made, I trust them.  If some of you don't me trust me than I am sorry for you.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2007, 05:53:27 PM »

So I guess we just can't win - when we see a food that we like and post about it, rather than be considered helpful and a potential lead for other pet owners to investigate, it's questioned.

SymbaandTrooper not all, just some.  If you hop around the blogs & forums as much as some of us loonies do (many of us are considered "nuts" by friends due to the attention we've paid this recall), certain posts about certain foods can't help but jump out at you.  It IS sad we now have to question everything but I also think it's invaluable to share, especially if we've found something that works.  I debated quite awhile before posting in this thread.  Any way it's done and I do very much appreciate the folks who've given my thoughts a fair shake.  We're all worried and anxious beyond belief.  I can't wait for this nightmare to be over and can go back to doing one of my fav things for my dogs:  feed them!  The way they come running with tails madly wagging while doing the "wiggle butt dance" until their bowl hits the floor.....I can't explain it, but it feels great.  Especially if you feel the food is safe - something I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd have to worry about.

SymbaandTrooper  - I'm glad your dog is OK.  Scares like that are a pet parent's worst nightmare, aren't they?  Please let your guilt go.  Dogs are curious by nature and often want to investigate or ingest things they shouldn't.  You want to let them play and have as much freedom as possible but man, the things our pets can get into.  I'm sure your dog knows how much you love him.  Just check out the way he wags his tail next time he gazes at you.

One last thing - if this food feels right to you & you've done your research, then by all means go for it.  There are still viable options available.  The main thing for ALL of us, is to find what's safe and pallatable to our pets while helping them to live long, naturally healthy lives.
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2007, 06:05:45 PM »

Well, I will be darned. Here I am in Canada and I had never heard of ORIJEN. I have looked at their web site and I am going to give it a try. I see that they sell it in a pet store near me. Alberta is a huge meat producing province. I can accept that they would be using human grade products.

 Here is a message for SymbaandTroope re the PH strips:
 I bought the little kit--sold here in Toronto for $15.00--expensive,but well worth it. I have a male bobtail who had bladder stones and after the crystals dissolved I sure wanted them to stay that way.  The hardest part was catching the little guy in the litter box. I spent several days hiding behind doors and following him around the house. The look on his face was priceless as he tried to figure out what I was up to. When I caught him in the litter box, I slipped a clean paper towel under his rear end---do not use a kleenex as sometimes they are scented.. You have to move fast to use the strip while the urine is still wet on the paper towel.    I thought of a better way----I have sterilized a margarine tub cover and have it ready beside the litter box.  It is big and flat enough to catch a few drops of the urine----you only need a drop or two.   This will keep you busy for a day or two trying to catch the cat in the box.    GOOD LUCK
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2007, 06:25:40 PM »

DavyD
          I have had the same experience with Purina ProPlan. I have fed that food to my Whippet for years.  Just 2 days ago I found out that he is  early stage RENAL FAILURE. Now I wonder about the food. My Vet, a man that I have always listened to, was little or no help when it came to food. I left the Vet's office with early stage Kidney Diet kibble made by EUKANUBA. I was so shocked by the news that I took the bag without thinking. I have since consulted a person well versed in a holistic approach to renal failure and I am going with her suggestions. The Vet said the dog has, at the most ,6 months to live---so what do we have to lose?
                  Kathleen
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2007, 06:47:14 PM »

Kathleen...
Our dog lived for 8 months after the onset of her illness, an auto-immune blood disorder that was never properly diagnosed...  That was a very upsetting 8 months for our kids and was even harder for me.  I never consulted anyone about her nutrition and I sure wish I had.  I just kept feeding her what she was used to...

I sure hope your new holistic approach works out for the best for you and your dog.

Good Luck

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