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Author Topic: Orijen Dog Food...Wow!!  (Read 28771 times)
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« on: May 03, 2007, 07:02:00 PM »

Since I’ve heard so many good things about Orijen and I am lucky enough to have it available around the corner I picked up a bag yesterday…First of all it smells so good I wanted to eat it, and my puppy has turned into a lunatic for it. I can’t believe the ingredients in this stuff…and their website says they manufacture it themselves…No outsourcing…all the ingredients are local to the company and they swear by it. I encourage every pet owner to check it out if you are looking for a safe (for now anyway), wholesome new food.  I’m going to start to rotate it with the Canidae he is on now. Although he picked the Canidae out and spit it on the floor to get to the Orijen.  There are no grains in it at all..It's 70% meat.
http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/about/

I know this sounds like a sales pitch but I just want to help...I lost my beloved Golden in December at only the age of 8 and I am now convinced it was the %$&# Purina Pro Plan that I fed her... I wish I knew better last year and I don't want other pet owners to make the same mistake I made for years...Purina, Iams, Hills, Pedigree are all junk...It's McDonald's for pets only worse.  If you care about your pets get them on a healthy food like this or Canidae.  Read the Ingredients!!!  They deserve it.
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2007, 06:52:22 AM »

BTW...
Champion Foods also makes "ACANA" which does have whole grains and is not as high in protein as Orijen. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2007, 07:16:44 AM »

I picked up samples of their dog & cat kibble. I've heard positive things from several owners on a dog comm I belong to.

It does look like quality food.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2007, 08:16:51 AM »

I read on Dogster.com that this food is going to be available in many more states and the Northeast very soon. I'm just wondering though if it is too high in protein for a senior dog? This is my dilemma, feed a higher protein food with better ingredients and excellent recommendations, or an average protein food with average ingredients and excellent recommendations. Is too much protein harmful?
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2007, 08:51:59 AM »

I noticed that they do make a senior food (which someone was buying when I picked up my bag)  but it is still 42% protein...?
I don't know...you would have to do more research

From their website...

High protein and low carbohydrate, the nutritional analysis of ORIJEN SENIOR replicates the diet Mother Nature originally intended for adult dogs, with total calories moderated to match the more sedentary lifestyle of today's senior dog.
ORIJEN SENIOR is a high protein diet with reduced fat and carbohydrate that naturally controls weight by providing fewer calories that are supplied in biologically appropriate (high protein, low carbohydrate) form.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2007, 12:04:10 PM »

Has anyone used the Orijin dry food for cats??  or the canned??
I am considering it.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2007, 12:28:33 PM »

BW, I've started by dogs and cats on Orijen. The dogs will eat anything, of course, but they really enjoy the Orijen. Before that, I had them on Wellness and Merrick's - both kibble and canned.

Cats are pretty finicky, and I'd tried Merrick's canned with mine and they turned their noses up. Right now, they are getting a kibble mix of Wellness and Orijen and I am surprised at how much of it they will eat. My little cat has gained 1/2 pound in the past month, which she really needed. They even seem to prefer Orijen dry rather than mixed with water.

As Davey D said, it really smells great!

My vet had not heard of Orijen, and if I had any concerns over protein levels for a senior pet, that would be worth discussing. However, I think the entire vet office was educated at a Hill's seminar...
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2007, 04:40:13 PM »

BW....Orijen does not make Canned Food..

Here is a story about Champion Foods that I found...It's from August, 2006...before the recalls.

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/business/story.html?id=d3e7c070-492d-44df-b945-59e40b3a4d97
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2007, 05:41:00 PM »

DaveyD, good article from the Edmonton Journal. I wasn't aware that they had been doing business for such a long time. I like what they're doing with their kibble, and really hope they will come out with a wet food. In the meantime, we are just adding water to make gravy, and it is a hit here. Their website looks so good (and I'm seeing the results here). I don't want to find out that they are part of the big-agri and have a rendering plant nearby! I have plugged their products with my vet office; they've had their pet nutrition training at a quickie seminar from Hills.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2007, 12:59:00 PM »

Because Orijen lists  a lot of Botanical Inclusions in their dry cat food, (which I have never seen in other foods, see the list at end of this message,)
 
I started a thread entitled "herbal ingredients in petfood good or bad for cats," and got a very interesting reply re:  Orijen's dry food.
Check out the thread.
The poster mentions that there is L carnitine in the food and this ingredient has been banned for import into Canada.  They ask therefore, why it is in the food.

They also list a number of really good questions they have emailed to Champion and not yet received answers to.
They mention that there is no taurine listed in the dry catfood, but I must check that.  I am so used to seeing it, I may not have noticed if it were missing from the list.
I have not yet checked any of this out.  But they ask some good questions.
Here is the list of botanicals:

Botanical Inclusions 
Marshmallow root  350 mg/kg 
Chicory root  350 mg/kg 
Stinging nettle  300 mg/kg 
Burdock root  300 mg/kg
Fennel seed  200 mg/kg 
Marigold flowers  200 mg/kg 
Chamomile flowers  200 mg/kg 
Milk thistle 200 mg/kg 
Summer savory  100 mg/kg 
Chickweed 50 mg/kg 
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2007, 07:40:34 AM »

My personal experience with most vets are "try the Hill's Science Diet that we sell" (whice of cource they get a kickback from).  This time with my new dog I choose to feed healthy (higher protein included) instead of corn meal, flour, gluten and by-products that are in the big commercial brands.

First 10 Ingredients in Orijen Adult...
Fresh chicken meat, chicken meal (low ash), turkey meal, steamed russet potato, fresh-caught Northern Whitefish, chicken fat, fresh whole eggs, salmon meal, salmon and anchovy oils, tapioca, chicken broth

First 10 Ingredients in Science Diet Adult...
Chicken, Brewers Rice, Rice Flour, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Soybean Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Soybean Oil, Chicken Liver Flavor

First 10 Ingredients in Iams Adult...
Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp (Sugar Removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Fish Meal, Potassium Chloride, Dried Egg Product,

Not hard for me to pick between these choices....
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2007, 01:04:31 PM »

Thanks for starting this thread, DaveyD....I hear your concerns about sounding like a promoter for Orijen (read my previous posts), but I am motivated by similar reasons.  With so many pet owners looking for alternative choices, I am glad to have found Orijen - 70% meat, 30% fruits and veg, 0% grain, 40-45% protein, no chemical preservatives, ethoxyquin-free, all ingredients sourced locally, made in Alberta Canada by the company.

I am currently feeding my 3-year old shepherd cross and 10-year old cat Orijen.  Both went nuts for it when I first tried the samples.  After reading the ingredient list, switching over the dog was easy. He was previously on Wellness, but I was really disappointed with their evasive responses to my questions on their relationship with Menu Foods...yet another reason to switch!  He's been on Orijen for almost 5 weeks now, and still gobbles it down like there's no tomorrow (whereas he was more leisurely with the Wellness). 

I was a bit more hesitant with my cat, since he had been on Hill's Prescription c/d diet for nearly his whole life as a result of his problem with urinary crystals.  However, when I learned that feeding a diet high in protein would make his urine more acidic, thereby decreasing the likelihood of crystals (www.acreaturecomfort.com), I decided to give Orijen a try.  I am happy to report he's been doing really well on it so far (going on 4 weeks), and no problems in the litter box!  I just feel so much better about feeding him a high-quality food. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2007, 02:48:14 PM »

I know this sounds like a sales pitch but...

Yeah, it sure does DaveyD.  The exact same pitch brought some eyebrows up over at Pet Connection too.
You might want to at least consider changing the wording a bit when posting more than one place?

Sorry folks, Origen may be a good food but something in DaveyD's posts has my hackles on alert.  Too many of his questions and posts at various places ring a bit odd.  As Steve said in the other thread (Kumpi), I'll make my own decisions thank you very much.

Funny - my dogs don't spit their Canidae out on the floor.  As I told DaveyD the other night over at PC, I can barely get the scoop out of the bag with them anxiously hovering about.  No small feat when you weigh around 100lbs and have two male labradors jumping about.  But they do love their new food and as long as Canidae remains safe & made in the U.S., I'll continue feeding it to my dogs.  If not, then home cooking's next. 

At the very least people, do your research.  Do not buy into the myth that the first ingredients on the label are what they appear to be.  Once the water content is removed, everything changes.  A great article referenced many times throughout this recall and definitely worth a read, Get the Facts:  What’s Really in Pet Food has a praticularly informative section:

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• “Meat is the first ingredient” claim.
A claim that a named meat (chicken, lamb, etc.) is the #1 ingredient is generally seen for dry food. Ingredients are listed on the label by weight, and raw chicken weighs a lot, since contains a lot of water.

Also be on the alert for terms such as "wholesome", "natural" and yes, even "organic".  These terms should spark a huge flashing red light as ingredient hype.  It's a marketing tactic the pet food companies have used for years.  And up until recently, boy, how it has worked.

Want to figure out just what the "guaranteed analysis" of your pet's food is?  I suggest taking a look at Veterninary Partner's "The Pet Food Label".  I know it was quite an eye opener for me.

Two more interesting reads of note:
Commercial Dog Food Myth Busters - The First Ingredient (Part 1)
Commercial Dog Food Myth Busters -The First Ingredient (Part 2)

The myth articles above, written by vet tech Amanda K. Jones, contain more information about the games pet food companies play:
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pet food manufacturers know the consumer wants to see a real “meat” source listed as the first ingredient. Because there are loop holes in the regulations associated with pet food labels, pet food manufacturers can manipulate the list to make it appear more “appealing” to consumers. Some people associated with pet nutrition refer to this as “the ingredient list game.”

Gee, that's reassuring, innitt?

Let me be clear about something.  I'm no expert anymore than most of you.  I'm doing everything I can to read up and educate myself better about pet food labels just like many of you as well.  But I don't like having product placement shoved down my throat as some have been doing since this recall debacle began.  Maybe that isn't what DaveyD is doing but based on everything I've seen him post, at various places, I am very suspicious.  Flame me if you want but please, for the sake of your pets, keep your perspective.  It's sad enough pets have died or become dangerously ill.  It's beyond heinous that some pet food people will and are taking advantage of pet owners during a travesty such as this recall.  "Plants" are everywhere.  Some times the truth hurts.  Losing a pet hurts needlessly for a life time.

If you made it this far, thanks for hearing me out.
Wishing all of your fur kids long, naturally healthy lives.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2007, 03:11:56 PM »

"Also be on the alert for terms such as "wholesome", "natural" and yes, even "organic"."

I was under the impression you could not use the word organic unless it was in fact organic.  see the buyer beware box:

http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/organic/
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2007, 03:16:05 PM »


I was a bit more hesitant with my cat, since he had been on Hill's Prescription c/d diet for nearly his whole life as a result of his problem with urinary crystals.  However, when I learned that feeding a diet high in protein would make his urine more acidic, thereby decreasing the likelihood of crystals (www.acreaturecomfort.com), I decided to give Orijen a try.  I am happy to report he's been doing really well on it so far (going on 4 weeks), and no problems in the litter box!  I just feel so much better about feeding him a high-quality food. 


you can get PH test strips and test weekly for awhile to see if your cat is maintaining a balanced PH. There is also a litter that you can get that changes color (turns pink if i remember correctly) if there is any signs of UTI, another precurser to stones. It's a bit pricey, but i have seen where people just sprinkle it on top of the reg litter on occassion as a spot check.
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