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« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2008, 01:01:34 PM » |
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She's a really pretty kitty!
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« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2008, 05:35:54 AM » |
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yes she is adorable-she cries so cute for food and loves to curl up on clothes-she is very dainty. They actually call all cats in the Caribbean a Caribbean mix but she definitely is siamese in there!
She is eating like a champ, active, etc-back to her old self. Definitely do not regret getting her here.
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« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2008, 03:56:13 AM » |
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Gorgeous kitty! And I agree, she has very unsual looks. Thanks for posting pics.
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« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2008, 08:39:07 AM » |
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Hi Everyone-I just got the lab results from the food Oki ate and got sick from the NYS Ag & Markets office
ethoxyquin and histamine were found in them - is this normal?? could these have made her sick?
that was all that was found that they tested for
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« Reply #64 on: August 25, 2008, 08:41:48 AM » |
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histamine? Do you have any additional info on that?
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« Reply #65 on: August 25, 2008, 08:56:08 AM » |
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Nam, thanks for letting us know the results. Do you have levels of those 2 things, are they shown on the report?
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« Reply #66 on: August 25, 2008, 08:58:14 AM » |
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« Reply #67 on: August 25, 2008, 09:03:59 AM » |
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from http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=12570"Toxicity Determination of the exact threshold where these biogenic amines become toxic is extremely difficult because it is dependent on the detoxification efficiency of the individual. Upper limits of 100 mg histamine/kg in foods; 2 mg histamine/liter in beverages; and 100-800 mg/kg tyramine and 30 mg/kg phenylethylamine in foods have been suggested. Presently, fishmeal is the only petfood ingredient that typically has a biogenic amine limit specification, and this is for histamine only. The most well-known health impact of biogenic amines is histamine poisoning, which occurs a few minutes to several hours following the ingestion of foods containing high levels of histamine. Primary symptoms in humans are skin rash, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. The toxicity of histamine is potentiated by other biogenic amines (agmatine, putrescine, cadaverine, anserine, spermine and spermidine)." |
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« Reply #69 on: August 25, 2008, 09:15:51 AM » |
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I don't know if this food has fish in it, but the presence of both of those chemicals if fish is there isn't unusual. All fish not headed for human consumption (ie going into pet, livestock, fish food) is required to be treated with a preservative. It's often ethyoxyquin. The histamine problem was discussed in another thread, I think the Fancy Feast illness thread. It can be formed in large quantities in cat foods that contain fish (can't remember if it's the deterioration of the fish that causes it). Don Earl had a lot of info posted about it.
I don't think Nutro uses ethoxyquin in their foods, but it does get into a number of pet foods through the fish ingredients unless the company buys fish preserved with natural chemicals, which is more expensive.
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« Reply #70 on: August 25, 2008, 09:17:57 AM » |
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Ethoxyquin is a preservative. It's not unusual for these to be in pet food, but many people believe they should be eliminated, because of the long-term cancer-causing potential. If it were there in excess of usual amounts, that could potentially cause immediate problems. Histamine can be formed by spoilage of fish. That should not be in there. http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/a-fancy-feast-from-hell-t4496.0.html;msg71810#msg71810See Don Earl's comment #337 on that thread, second half of the comment. |
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« Reply #71 on: August 25, 2008, 09:22:44 AM » |
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I hope Nam1026 can provide the levels they detected because according to the MSDS, the level that it becomes toxic is pretty low....
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« Reply #72 on: August 25, 2008, 09:31:23 AM » |
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One sample had 0.031 ppm of ethoxyquin, another had 30 ppm of histamine and 1.36 ppm ethoxy, the other 0.033 ppm ethoxy-these were Nutro salmon and tuna samples and the store samples they picked up also had both of the chemicals.
what should I do with this information? could it have caused my cats problems?
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« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2008, 09:34:45 AM » |
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nam, I would contact the FDA and let them know... http://www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/complain.HtmlI can bet you that there are a few of us trying to figure out the next step for you! |
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« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2008, 09:36:42 AM » |
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One thing that I believe you should do is notify Nutro of the results of these tests, by certified mail with return receipt requested. Notifying the FDA and your local Consumer Protection agency would IMO be a good plan, too.
The histamine could definitely have caused a reaction, from the descriptions I have read. 30ppm seems pretty high to me for a cat. Someone will have to dig a little deeper into the links that have just been posted for more info.
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