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« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2008, 09:37:36 AM » |
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« Reply #76 on: August 25, 2008, 10:01:41 AM » |
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http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/1998/Sep98/tuna.htmOnce histamine is produced in a fish, no amount of cooking or freezing can remove it. The Food and Drug Administration allows a maximum histamine level of 5 milligrams per 100 grams of fish.
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« Reply #77 on: August 25, 2008, 11:46:40 AM » |
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from the first link: Toxicological evaluation
Levels that cause no toxic effect
Rat: 125 ppm, equivalent to 6 mg/kg bw per day (two-year
study of toxicity and carcinogenicity)
500 ppm, equivalent to 25 mg/kg bw per day
(two-generation study of reproductive toxicity)
50 mg/kg bw per day (maternal toxicity in a study of
developmental toxicity)
350 mg/kg bw per day (developmental toxicity)
Dog: 2 mg/kg bw per day (general toxicity in a 90-day study
of toxicity)
3 mg/kg bw per day (one-year study of toxicity)
300 ppm, equivalent to 7.5 mg/kg bw per day (five-year
study of toxicity)
2.5 mg/kg bw per day (minimal effect level for general
toxicity in a two-generation study of reproductive
toxicity)
5 mg/kg bw per day (reproductive performance; highest
dose tested) from the second link: Acute toxicity
LD50
Animal Route mg/kg body-weight References
Mouse i.p. 800-1000 Wilson and DeEds, 1959
Mouse i.v. 178 Wilson and DeEds, 1959
Mouse inhalation 3000 Kel'man, 1965
Rat oral ca.800 Wilson and DeEds, 1959
Rat inhalation 3150 Kel'man, 1965
Chicken oral 8000-10000 Maclay, 1954 |
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« Reply #79 on: August 25, 2008, 12:23:09 PM » |
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Nam1026,
On the report, where the lab identified these substances as being detected and the amounts, are there any comments regarding what is considered a normal range of detection, or any other comments to clarify the toxicity of these results? Also, do you know whether the NYS Ag & Markets reports results that may be harmful to a higher authority or to the FDA directly? I would like to think that if they do a test, and the results indicate a serious threat, that they would not just let it go and not report it to someone who can take further action. Maybe you can call them and ask?
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« Reply #80 on: August 25, 2008, 12:42:51 PM » |
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NYS Ag http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/FL/FLHome.htmlMajor Responsibilities Test all food and beverage samples collected by Department staff for specific health hazards, purity and/or accuracy of labeling. Collaborate with allied governmental agencies such as the Food and Drug Administration, the United States Department of Agriculture, the Environmental Protection Agency, the New York State Department of Health and the New York State Liquor Authority. Support cooperative agreements with the USDA:AMS for the pesticide and microbiological data programs and the USDA:FSIS for the Food Emergency Response Network. Support state and federal programs on food safety and security. Support state and federal programs on Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) by testing animal feed for ruminant protein. Animal Feed and Pet food analysis Approximately 500 agricultural animal feed and pet food samples/year from New York state are tested to confirm label claims of nutritive content and declared and undeclared antimicrobials. Contracts exist with other state Department’s of Agriculture in the Northeast to test animal feed. Cattle feed samples are also tested for the presence of ruminant protein in support of New York State Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) programs. |
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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown
"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
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« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2008, 06:46:36 AM » |
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The lab report does not list any safe ranges of these substances. Oki is only 7 lbs-very small cat, she was only 4 lbs when I brought her from the Caribbean last year. So maybe it affected her worse than say a 12 lb cat?
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« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2008, 07:01:25 AM » |
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Sorry to hear about your kitty and glad she's doing better.
The local farm fresh eggs I sometimes buy must contain some level of ethoxyguin. The farmers feed the hen layer mash that contains it. (I asked to see the label for ingredients.) The grain is grown locally, and the feed/mash is also made by the store that sells the eggs. I think it's time to take the studies from inchem to the store! I'd switch between buying local eggs from the farm/feed store ($1 or so cheaper) and buying organic in the grocery store. I really prefer supporting a local business and local farmers rather than a chain store, but I'm buying only organic eggs from now on, no exceptions! It's not worth it to save a buck each time.
For those who read the vet's letter citing the dangers of ethoxyquin and the links that "Sandi K" provided above...
Did you read one of the cited studies of ethoxyquin on dogs? This must be the flawed Monsanto study the vet cited in his letter. Look who did the research. No bad effects found...
"Dogs
Ethoxyquin was fed to two groups of 14 dogs and bitches at a
dietary concentration of 0 or 300 ppm for five years. No effects were
observed on haematological, urinary, or clinical chemical end-points
(aspartate aminotransferase activity, blood urea nitrogen, and
bromosulphthalein retention), organ weights, organ:body weight ratios,
body weight, or gross or histopathological appearance [Monsanto, 1966;
cited in 1969 JMPR monograph; Annex 1, reference 13). The 1969 JMPR
concluded that the NOAEL in this study was 300 ppm, equivalent to 7.5
mg/kg bw per day."
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Buy local. Buy organic.
If you ate today, thank a farmer, hopefully a small, local farmer.
Remember the thousands & thousands of pets that died to give US a wake-up call about the safety of ALL food and products.
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« Reply #83 on: August 26, 2008, 07:59:12 AM » |
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I am working on a letter to Nutro requesting reimbursement of my vet bills. Do you think the lab reports and my vet invoice will be enough for them? I have done this once before with Hartz flea stuff when it made another of my cats really sick as soon as we put it on her-had to rush her to vet and give her a bath-she slowly recovered and called Hartz and had to send in vet bill and it was reimbursed to me.
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« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2008, 11:52:25 AM » |
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Nam1026, Be sure to notify Nutro, FDA, and don't forget Consumer Affairs. You can post a complaint on their website. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/nutro.htmlJust click the "complaint form" button at the top of page. 5CatMom =^..^ = |
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« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2008, 11:55:14 AM » |
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Nam, I think letting FDA and Consumer Affairs and even ASPCA toxicolgy section might be worthwhile. I guess notifying Nutro would be the right thing to do but I hate to say, I wouldnt hold my breath on much response from them. I would love to be totally surprised though so hopefully you can let us know any responses.
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« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2008, 10:21:22 AM » |
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I am working on a letter to Nutro requesting reimbursement of my vet bills. Do you think the lab reports and my vet invoice will be enough for them? I have done this once before with Hartz flea stuff when it made another of my cats really sick as soon as we put it on her-had to rush her to vet and give her a bath-she slowly recovered and called Hartz and had to send in vet bill and it was reimbursed to me.
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« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2008, 12:41:21 PM » |
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Nam,
Sorry to hear about your experiences. It can be so scary when your babies get sick! I went through all of this during the initial pet food recall in March 2007 with Nutro packets. It is great you didn't wait to get your cat care. My 5 poisoned babies are alive, but it has been so costly and time consuming! I dealt with Nutro's insurance company, and it took over 6 months and hundres of tear-filled phone calls to get reimbursed for less than half of my expenses, which topped $10,000 (and counting). Hopefully they have learned and will be attending better to their customers now, since they have so much a stake. It was the hartford insurance company I dealt with. I am not sure they are still representing them, as last I heard from my rep there, they were even severing ties with Nutro due to their behavior during the recall. It was negatively impacting the reputation of hartford to be associated with Nutro.
I was required to send in the packets (which lucky the FDA had already gotten from me and tested). I had numerous letters from all the vets that saw the cats, ultrasound results, letters from the vets that read the ultrasounds at Cornell, receipts and on and on and on. I think they just decided to pay up because my story made the news and radio all over the area, since I had so many sick cats. So please make sure you are documenting everything and all the costs to help your baby recover. And don't give up.
Please do not be discouraged by wet food from this experience. I attribute some super high quality wet foods to being a lifeline for my boys, Wellness, Ziwi Peak, Weruva. Dry food were recalled, too. It is no safer than wet. Also, avoid ALL brands that were recalled. If it happened once that they lost control of their supply chain, it can and will happen again. It just goes to show that some companies don't have the controls in place to monitor the origins of all of their ingredients, and that as we see can cause loads of problems.
Please take care and know your cat will get better!!
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