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Author Topic: Natura Cal Nat: Has YOUR Cat Actually Gotten Sick?  (Read 7220 times)
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« on: September 06, 2007, 08:23:07 PM »

I am at a loss for my very allergenic cat. He is allergic to Seafood, & (unless he was reacting to unknown poisons back in April in Felidae, Solid Gold & others) we believe he is also allergic to one or more of the fruits/vegetables/herbs in most of the premium cat foods.

We've been on 2006 Cal Nat Chicken & Rice Dry since a month or so after the recall started & he's thriving on it. My intention has been to switch due to the issues surrounding Natura. After reviewing many foods, the only one left that that I am aware of that might work that I haven't tried is Evanger's wet. We're also evaluating Wellness wet. It's made by menu which really bothers me, & kitty's opinion seems only so so. Both mine & my cat's preference are for dry; though his vet would prefer wet. Fact is, I'm running out of options, & will soon be running out of the 2006 Cal Nat food.

At this point, I'm very hesitantly considering staying with the Cal Nat. I have reviewed as much of the posting here & on the pet food list as I can (reading 100+ pages is a bit much), I have reviewed Offy's summary & I have pm'd Offy (who was kind to reply). My question is, has YOUR  (or your friend's) cat become sick or died from Natura? I need to make a decision soon. As someone in another Natura thread recently posted, I feel somewhat like I'm walking through a field of landmines......

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 09:25:04 PM »

I am at a loss for my very allergenic cat. He is allergic to Seafood, & (unless he was reacting to unknown poisons back in April in Felidae, Solid Gold & others) we believe he is also allergic to one or more of the fruits/vegetables/herbs in most of the premium cat foods.

We've been on 2006 Cal Nat Chicken & Rice Dry since a month or so after the recall started & he's thriving on it. My intention has been to switch due to the issues surrounding Natura. After reviewing many foods, the only one left that that I am aware of that might work that I haven't tried is Evanger's wet. We're also evaluating Wellness wet. It's made by menu which really bothers me, & kitty's opinion seems only so so. Both mine & my cat's preference are for dry; though his vet would prefer wet. Fact is, I'm running out of options, & will soon be running out of the 2006 Cal Nat food.

At this point, I'm very hesitantly considering staying with the Cal Nat. I have reviewed as much of the posting here & on the pet food list as I can (reading 100+ pages is a bit much), I have reviewed Offy's summary & I have pm'd Offy (who was kind to reply). My question is, has YOUR  (or your friend's) cat become sick or died from Natura? I need to make a decision soon. As someone in another Natura thread recently posted, I feel somewhat like I'm walking through a field of landmines......

Thanks!

Why not try Evanger's Gourmet Classic food??  I just looked at the ingredients for the beef/liver and I don't see an abundance of vegetables or fruit like their super premium dinners have.  I had a cat that was very ill with hypothyroidism and just wouldn't eat and then I came upon Evanger's and it literally prolonged her life with quality as she just loved the food.  Then, when the recall came about, I noted that Evanger's was one of the very few (if not the only) canned food that wasn't outsourced to Menu and was in very high demand by many pet food retailers.  I haven't seen any problems posted anywhere about their products.  Due to my failing confidence in brands I had been feeding my dogs, I have just recently begun to change them over to Evanger's dry mixed with some home cooked.  The Whole Dog Journal rated this food very high.

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 09:27:17 PM »

one of the reason's i started home preparing for my Dal 5 yrs ago was because of their need for a low purine diet. after several months of trying to find decent food/treats and reading god only knows how many labels i threw in the towel and decided it was much easier doing it myself. that way i was SURE of what was in her food. i also think she had a mild alergy to some processed ingredients because she would flush after eating which doesn't happen any more. no more bright pink undersides! for my cats, i order bulk preground/grind my own and just add in what i want. once you get it down, it's not that time consuming and really not much more than feeding premium, especially if you go the evangers route. i feed a pound a day at about  1.00-2.00 a pound average. and that's for 5 cats.i was easily spending that with premium wet/dry foods. one cat averages about 1/4lb a day.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 03:47:41 AM »

I am at a loss for my very allergenic cat. He is allergic to Seafood, & (unless he was reacting to unknown poisons back in April in Felidae, Solid Gold & others) we believe he is also allergic to one or more of the fruits/vegetables/herbs in most of the premium cat foods.

We've been on 2006 Cal Nat Chicken & Rice Dry since a month or so after the recall started & he's thriving on it. My intention has been to switch due to the issues surrounding Natura. After reviewing many foods, the only one left that that I am aware of that might work that I haven't tried is Evanger's wet. We're also evaluating Wellness wet. It's made by menu which really bothers me, & kitty's opinion seems only so so. Both mine & my cat's preference are for dry; though his vet would prefer wet. Fact is, I'm running out of options, & will soon be running out of the 2006 Cal Nat food.

At this point, I'm very hesitantly considering staying with the Cal Nat. I have reviewed as much of the posting here & on the pet food list as I can (reading 100+ pages is a bit much), I have reviewed Offy's summary & I have pm'd Offy (who was kind to reply). My question is, has YOUR  (or your friend's) cat become sick or died from Natura? I need to make a decision soon. As someone in another Natura thread recently posted, I feel somewhat like I'm walking through a field of landmines......

Thanks!

Why not try Evanger's Gourmet Classic food??  I just looked at the ingredients for the beef/liver and I don't see an abundance of vegetables or fruit like their super premium dinners have.  I had a cat that was very ill with hypothyroidism and just wouldn't eat and then I came upon Evanger's and it literally prolonged her life with quality as she just loved the food.  Then, when the recall came about, I noted that Evanger's was one of the very few (if not the only) canned food that wasn't outsourced to Menu and was in very high demand by many pet food retailers.  I haven't seen any problems posted anywhere about their products.  Due to my failing confidence in brands I had been feeding my dogs, I have just recently begun to change them over to Evanger's dry mixed with some home cooked.  The Whole Dog Journal rated this food very high.


Evangers Classic cat food contains fish. There are a couple in their Super Premium line of cat food that does not. Natures Variety Instinct Cat food may be one to look at.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 04:27:55 AM »

Geff,

How does your cat's allergic reaction manifest itself?  Scratching, fur loss, stomach irritation?
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 04:55:42 AM »

Geff,

I've left my cat on CN Chicken and Brown Rice after trying to switch him to Wellness Indoor Health.  He developed soft runny stools from the Wellness and so we're back on CN since that seems to be the only food that doesn't cause GI upset.  He also gets 1/4 of Wellness wet food per day.  Andy has a sensitive GI tract and can't tolerate all the "other" ingredients in Wellness, like the fruits and veggies.

I've talked with my vet and we've agreed that right now I just need to watch him carefully, check each bag of food as it's opened and keep my fingers crossed. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2007, 05:07:44 AM »

Hi Geff,
I do understand your position.  I have a mess because of medical issues, serious medical issues.  When the cats were on the Cal Nat there were no problems whatsoever.  They all did well and I didn't have anything strange looking or strange smelling in any of the bags I used.  Mine should be on wet, too, but refuse everything but fancy feast.  I would be tempted to continue what works and just watch the new bags very carefully. (I have come to the same conclusion about the Euk Prescription that I'm feeding ~ not my choice but other foods NOT CAL NAT have made CJ sick again.  Can't take that chance so I'm going with what works right now for her.)  Good luck to you!  It's a crapshoot anymore.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 11:16:07 AM »

I have continued to feed my cats CalNat chicken and rice dry in rotation with no apparent
health issues. Will finish this bag, but probably won't reorder after all these questions about
Natura.  My cats really like Life's Abundance better, so I'm sticking with that for their kibble.
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 12:59:40 PM »



[/quote]Evangers Classic cat food contains fish. There are a couple in their Super Premium line of cat food that does not. Natures Variety Instinct Cat food may be one to look at.
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I just went over to their website to look at the ingredients for the classic foods and was surprised to see that the beef/liver does contain fish.  However, the chicken doesn't show fish as an ingredient
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2007, 02:20:48 PM »

Geff,

How does your cat's allergic reaction manifest itself?  Scratching, fur loss, stomach irritation?

Most recent was extreme compulsive licking on Felidae. Other symptoms have included hyper sensitive spine (always thought this was non allergy but it's now 100% gone on Cal Nat after almost 11 years of non stop sensitivity; one vet thought it was epilepsy & wanted to put him on prozac years ago! Fortunately I refused....) also different foods have seemed to increase/decrease the spinal sensitivity in the past), in the real old days we saw a kitty version of excema, & there's varying degrees of vomiting with all foods. Solid Gold produced lethargy, diarrhea & urinating in the living room (this might have been poison, but we did blood work at that time & thank god it was ok), & occasional wheezing. He occasionally gets small sores that his vet believes are enviornmental (fleas?). He also appears (like me) to have mold allergies. When we moved from a moldy house to our current less (but still) moldy house my health got some better & his got a lot better.

His very first vet (whom I totally trust) also diagnosed the Seafood allergy, but i don't remember what those symptoms were as it was a real long time ago.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2007, 02:21:38 PM »

Geff,

I've left my cat on CN Chicken and Brown Rice after trying to switch him to Wellness Indoor Health.  He developed soft runny stools from the Wellness and so we're back on CN since that seems to be the only food that doesn't cause GI upset.  He also gets 1/4 of Wellness wet food per day.  Andy has a sensitive GI tract and can't tolerate all the "other" ingredients in Wellness, like the fruits and veggies.

I've talked with my vet and we've agreed that right now I just need to watch him carefully, check each bag of food as it's opened and keep my fingers crossed. 

Thanks for the info! Glad so far, so good.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2007, 02:24:25 PM »



Evangers Classic cat food contains fish. There are a couple in their Super Premium line of cat food that does not. Natures Variety Instinct Cat food may be one to look at.


I just went over to their website to look at the ingredients for the classic foods and was surprised to see that the beef/liver does contain fish.  However, the chicken doesn't show fish as an ingredient

The Evangers Chicken is the one I'm considering trying. Our Wellness experiment seems to have gone mendiocre: Kitty's fine, but he'll only eat a few bites & then turns up his nose at it & wants kibble. Unfortunately that doesn't bebunk the allergy concerns because he was fine on Felidae for the first few days before the licking started.

Thanks to all who have replied. I'm going to be monitoring this thread for the next few days as part of my decision.
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2007, 03:22:33 PM »

   Geff, When you say "hyperactive spine" do you mean its fur would ripple along the spine?
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2007, 06:35:33 PM »

Geff,
Sorry to hear that your kitty has had such problems with food allergies.  My cat with allergies eats Cal Natural venison canned currently (since around March) and is doing fine- I have kept her off chicken for a while now which has helped with her problems.  One other cat eats Cal Natural chicken canned, 4 eat Innova canned and the last one eats Innova dry.  They all appear to be fine.  I don't have anyone eating Cal. Natural dry though.  It's a tough spot to decide what to do.  I feel that any commercial food is a risk, and I dislike that I am taking the risk, but thankfully mine are doing OK.  I would like to tackle cooking for them as I have already tried some of the commercial raw brands with no luck.  But I feel overwhelmed, and I don't know what I would do for the allergy cat on the venison diet.  It's hard to find a canned food not associated with Menu or one of the other problem manufacturers.  I feel that my cats are doing better since I switched them off dry to wet.  I hope your cat does well whatever you decide. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2007, 10:42:36 PM »

   Geff, When you say "hyperactive spine" do you mean its fur would ripple along the spine?

No, I mean discomfort & intense licking whenever it was touched. I was told by a vet that it was a form of kitty epilepsy, but I now know it was allergy triggered. Again, (not to sound like a Kumpi fanatic!!) 10+ years of this has totally gone away on Cal Nat.

I wish I could find more 2006 manufactured pre-recall Cal Nat, but it appears to be all gone. It also only has a 1 year exp date, so it would be a short term solution at best. A big part of me doesn't want to switch, but the 100+ pages of natura problems on this (& other) forum(s) really scare me.
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